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Signed Contract but Only Attended 10 Days – Facing Full Tuition Payment Dilemma in France

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Jormaine · 14/11/2024 16:47

Hi everyone, I’m an 18-year-old fashion student currently facing a major issue with tuition fees after deciding to withdraw from my program. Here’s my situation:

This year, I enrolled in a Bachelor of Fashion Business program at a private fashion school in Paris. The academic year officially started on September 24, 2024, with an orientation that included a presentation of the program, exams, and the school’s app, along with a team-building activity in the afternoon. Due to social anxiety and being generally introverted, I decided to skip the team-building event after meeting another classmate who told me it wasn’t necessary.

Classes began on October 1, and I initially got along with a small group of classmates. However, as an introvert, I found it hard to integrate fully, and over time I started feeling excluded. I even tried to join conversations, but they were brief, and I often felt left out. Eventually, the discomfort started affecting my mental health; I felt anxious, sometimes wanted to cry from frustration, and even started dreading school. As a result, I began missing classes and even took a few days off when I got sick. When I returned, my classmates seemed to distance themselves from me even more, possibly because of my absences.

With all of this, I came to the decision that staying at this school would likely harm my mental health. I wasn’t integrating well, and I was struggling to keep up with some classes in French. So, I decided to look into transferring to a different school that might be a better fit.

When I informed the head of studies and the admissions manager about my decision, they were confused and seemed not to understand my reasons. The admissions manager insisted that the school is affordable compared to other fashion schools and mentioned that many students come to this school after experiencing issues elsewhere. My concerns, though, weren’t with the school itself but rather with the lack of an English program and my own challenges in integrating socially.

The main issue now is the tuition. The full yearly fee is 7,500€, and I had already paid 750€ as an initial payment. The school is demanding the entire 7,000€, citing a clause in the enrollment contract that states:

Art. 2: Any schooling started is due in full.
Art. 3: Only withdrawal in the event of failure of the examination necessary for admission allows the reimbursement of tuition fees committed.

When I asked if they could reduce the amount since I had only attended about 10 days of classes, they refused, saying it wasn’t possible because I had signed this contract. My bank advisor even connected me with legal services, but they only suggested trying to negotiate.

I met again with the director, who also didn’t budge on the tuition. I felt pressured during this meeting, as the admissions manager encouraged me to pay on the spot. I tried to transfer the entire 7,000€, but it didn’t go through, so she instructed me to make smaller transfers until I was able to send 4,000€ total. She then asked me to go to the bank and complete the remaining amount as soon as possible.

After leaving, I called my sister to explain what had happened, and she was furious that I had paid so quickly without fully exploring my options. She thinks I should consult a lawyer to see if I have any grounds to negotiate the fee given my limited attendance.

I’m now feeling lost and overwhelmed. I haven’t told my family everything yet, and I’m unsure how to move forward. If anyone has any advice on whether it’s possible to negotiate a partial fee or if it’s worth seeking legal help, I would be extremely grateful. Thank you for reading, and I appreciate any guidance you can offer.

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AuntieKraker · 14/11/2024 16:51

Presumably the contract is governed by French law, so I’m not sure that there will be many people here who can help you. There may be a Reddit page for French legal advice that could help?

But my first thoughts are that you agreed to those terms when you joined the course and you don’t stop being liable simply because you changed your mind. But it will be dependent on the wording of the contract and the position under French law.

AuntieKraker · 14/11/2024 16:51

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Bannedontherun · 14/11/2024 21:44

Broadly EU law of contract is similar to UK law of contract. So you agreed to the terms and conditions which you legally cannot get out of, as the school has not done anything wrong.

Unless you have a recognised disability that you told them about and that they did not make reasonable adjustments for.

Not making friends does not from what you have said fall within the scope.

So you will have to pay.

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 07:37

Bannedontherun · 14/11/2024 21:44

Broadly EU law of contract is similar to UK law of contract. So you agreed to the terms and conditions which you legally cannot get out of, as the school has not done anything wrong.

Unless you have a recognised disability that you told them about and that they did not make reasonable adjustments for.

Not making friends does not from what you have said fall within the scope.

So you will have to pay.

When I first read the two articles in the contract, I didn’t fully understand them, but I signed them because I was focused on completing the registration process for the program. Regarding making friends, I did form connections, but the group dynamics made it challenging for me to fully integrate. The students tend to stick together in their own groups, which contributed to me feeling excluded.

I understand that under contract law, I am legally bound to the terms I agreed to, and I’m aware the school hasn’t done anything wrong. However, I was hoping to explore whether my situation, where my mental health and the difficulty in integrating affected my ability to continue, might offer any grounds for negotiating the tuition fees.

Thank you for your feedback, I’ll carefully consider it as I move forward.

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Jormaine · 15/11/2024 07:41

AuntieKraker · 14/11/2024 16:51

Presumably the contract is governed by French law, so I’m not sure that there will be many people here who can help you. There may be a Reddit page for French legal advice that could help?

But my first thoughts are that you agreed to those terms when you joined the course and you don’t stop being liable simply because you changed your mind. But it will be dependent on the wording of the contract and the position under French law.

Thank you for your response. I actually posted on the LegalAdviceEurope subreddit, but the feedback I received has been that I don’t have many options. Most people have told me that my only choices are either to stay in the program or pay the full tuition.

I understand that I agreed to the contract when I enrolled, and I’m aware that my situation is complicated. However, I was hoping there might be some legal flexibility or options I could explore due to my limited attendance and the impact this has had on my mental health.

I’m feeling stuck, and any further guidance you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

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Msmoonpie · 15/11/2024 07:48

Since you signed a contract (and it’s no one’s fault but yours if you didn’t read or understand something but signed it anyway) it would make more sense to be complete the course.

Are there any societies or groups that you could join to male friends instead ? People on the course may not be looking to socialise with others on the course and there nothing wrong with that.

It also sounds like they barely know you as you didn’t attend team building and have been off sick. If you stick at it they may get to know you a little better.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 15/11/2024 07:49

Usually the contract says they won't refund fees because you are taking a space in the course even if you don't attend, so they would be out of pocket to the amount of your fees if they let you off. If they can fill your place with another student you might have half a leg to stand on morally if not legally. But unlikely you will be able to get out of paying.

Singleandproud · 15/11/2024 07:49

At a guess, if you want your MH taken into account then you'll need proper evidence of how it impacted you during that particular time period with Drs notes etc not just your say so.

But you brought this on yourself, didn't attend team building and social events to help students build bonds, separated yourself from other students and was absent. When you returned you barely gave it time to settle before quitting, it takes at least 3-6 Months to integrate fully with a group of bonded people not a couple of days. Whilst I appreciate that your social anxiety played a part there would have been quiet activities to do if you'd looked into it I'm sure. Moving doesn't seem the right choice because you will experience the same at the next school if you don't put the effort in particularly if you start mid year. You have to learn to manage your social battery and socialise with people if you want to be part of a group. If you don't want to be part of the group then just carry on where you are as you've paid for it

LameBorzoi · 15/11/2024 07:55

You are being ridiculous. Of course you need to pay - they can't fill your spot at this stage. And of course you haven't bonded with the other students. You have barely met them.

tuttifritti · 15/11/2024 07:57

Not legal advice but given that you were so pressured to pay on the spot it sounds da like the school doesn't have huge recourse to collect those fees from you if you don't pay,

You have paid €4750 of €7500. You could make the decision to not pay the rest. The school has lost income for the year and if the course was oversubscribed that means they lost an opportunity to sell your place to someone else.

I doubt they will hound you across borders for less than €3000. I would say that what you have already paid is fair.

They are protecting their interests and you can protect your interests. They won't budge and will likely use your youth and inexperience to try to intimidate you. I'm a believer in paying bills but have come to the realisation that unless we stick up for what's fair, people will always take advantage.

I'm not a lawyer for full disclosure (I'm sure that is obvious)

SweetSakura · 15/11/2024 08:00

I'd find a specialist lawyer to advise you.

Relying on social media to fix this for you is ridiculous

prh47bridge · 15/11/2024 08:28

I understand that under contract law, I am legally bound to the terms I agreed to, and I’m aware the school hasn’t done anything wrong. However, I was hoping to explore whether my situation, where my mental health and the difficulty in integrating affected my ability to continue, might offer any grounds for negotiating the tuition fees.

There is nothing to stop you trying to negotiate, but your negotiating position is weak. There is no obvious reason they should agree to reducing your tuition fees. Legally, they would almost certainly win if this went to court.

I doubt they will hound you across borders for less than €3000. I would say that what you have already paid is fair.

I would be cautious about this advice. If they get judgement in France, they can register it in the UK without giving you notice. That would damage your credit rating.

thereisamouseinthehouse · 15/11/2024 08:52

It sounds like people on the subreddit are probably better placed to advise you. Just because you don't like their advice doesn't mean it is wrong or that there are alternatives.
The only alternative it seems is to hope that they decide to say you don't need to pay any more. There is no need for them to do this and the only reason is their kindness.
It is worth bearing in mind that different countries have different attitudes to mental health problems. I don't know much about the situation in France but I do know that their schools tend to be less supportive and have less pastoral care in place. This might mean that your situation is more unusual in France and so they are less used to having to deal with it than in the UK.
Is it too late for you to re-join the course? Starting something like this is always challenging and especially so if you are perhaps an outsider (I am gathering that you haven't previously been educated in France). Making friends in these circumstances will always take time. Friendships groups will evolve, particularly around now as people get to know each other more and have also got over that initial fear of not knowing anyone and clinging to the first person who smiled at them regardless of whether they have anything in common or any similar values. Are there any socials in the run up to Christmas which would give you a chance to meet people? Or can assignments be done in pairs or in small groups and you'd get to know them in a structured environment.

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 11:46

Msmoonpie · 15/11/2024 07:48

Since you signed a contract (and it’s no one’s fault but yours if you didn’t read or understand something but signed it anyway) it would make more sense to be complete the course.

Are there any societies or groups that you could join to male friends instead ? People on the course may not be looking to socialise with others on the course and there nothing wrong with that.

It also sounds like they barely know you as you didn’t attend team building and have been off sick. If you stick at it they may get to know you a little better.

I understand that I signed a contract, but I believe my situation goes beyond simply reading the fine print. My well-being is a priority, and despite my efforts, I’ve struggled to connect with my classmates and feel excluded. It’s not just about being introverted—missing the team-building and being off sick has made it harder to integrate. I don’t think staying in an environment where I’m not comfortable is the best choice for my future. I’m considering my options seriously, but I would appreciate a bit more understanding of my perspective.

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AuntieKraker · 15/11/2024 11:57

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 11:46

I understand that I signed a contract, but I believe my situation goes beyond simply reading the fine print. My well-being is a priority, and despite my efforts, I’ve struggled to connect with my classmates and feel excluded. It’s not just about being introverted—missing the team-building and being off sick has made it harder to integrate. I don’t think staying in an environment where I’m not comfortable is the best choice for my future. I’m considering my options seriously, but I would appreciate a bit more understanding of my perspective.

I understand where you’re coming from but that doesn’t get you a get out of jail free card. You made a decision to join and start the course and their T&Cs aren’t unreasonable or unusual. Your mental health issues do not excuse you from what you signed up to.

You should of course try and negotiate how much you are liable for, and explain your mental health issues, but they are not obliged to agree or take them into account.

vivainsomnia · 15/11/2024 11:58

My well-being is a priority, and despite my efforts, I’ve struggled to connect with my classmates and feel excluded
The problem is that you didn't approach them for help. They should have access to counselling support.

Instead you took the decision to quit unilaterally and didn't even give a chance to help you.

You need to accept full responsibility for the outcome. Sometimes we make errors and some are costly but it doesn't mean they have done any thing wrong or that you should be given special treatment.

Hoppinggreen · 15/11/2024 11:58

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 11:46

I understand that I signed a contract, but I believe my situation goes beyond simply reading the fine print. My well-being is a priority, and despite my efforts, I’ve struggled to connect with my classmates and feel excluded. It’s not just about being introverted—missing the team-building and being off sick has made it harder to integrate. I don’t think staying in an environment where I’m not comfortable is the best choice for my future. I’m considering my options seriously, but I would appreciate a bit more understanding of my perspective.

No matter how sympathetic people are/aren't what matters is the legal position in France and if you have had that already then I am not sure how people here can help.
I do feel for you but, my DD used to suffer from similar anxiety but if the contract stand then it stands. Your best option would be to try and appeal to them on compassion grounds due to your MH but it may not do you any good unfortunately

KerryBlues · 15/11/2024 12:00

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 07:37

When I first read the two articles in the contract, I didn’t fully understand them, but I signed them because I was focused on completing the registration process for the program. Regarding making friends, I did form connections, but the group dynamics made it challenging for me to fully integrate. The students tend to stick together in their own groups, which contributed to me feeling excluded.

I understand that under contract law, I am legally bound to the terms I agreed to, and I’m aware the school hasn’t done anything wrong. However, I was hoping to explore whether my situation, where my mental health and the difficulty in integrating affected my ability to continue, might offer any grounds for negotiating the tuition fees.

Thank you for your feedback, I’ll carefully consider it as I move forward.

Short answer - no.

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 12:06

Singleandproud · 15/11/2024 07:49

At a guess, if you want your MH taken into account then you'll need proper evidence of how it impacted you during that particular time period with Drs notes etc not just your say so.

But you brought this on yourself, didn't attend team building and social events to help students build bonds, separated yourself from other students and was absent. When you returned you barely gave it time to settle before quitting, it takes at least 3-6 Months to integrate fully with a group of bonded people not a couple of days. Whilst I appreciate that your social anxiety played a part there would have been quiet activities to do if you'd looked into it I'm sure. Moving doesn't seem the right choice because you will experience the same at the next school if you don't put the effort in particularly if you start mid year. You have to learn to manage your social battery and socialise with people if you want to be part of a group. If you don't want to be part of the group then just carry on where you are as you've paid for it

Edited

I appreciate your perspective, but I’m not looking for a debate or to be told where I went wrong—I’m fully aware of what happened and how my choices contributed to the situation. I’ve been reflecting on it a lot, and I’m not here to deny my mistakes.

What I am looking for is support or practical advice for my current challenge, which is figuring out how to handle the financial aspect of leaving this school and transitioning to a program that better suits my goals and well-being.

I understand that integrating into a group takes time and effort, but there are multiple factors influencing my decision to move schools, including the desire to switch programs. At this point, I’m not debating whether I should stay—I’ve already made the choice to leave, and I’d appreciate help in navigating this next step.

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Jormaine · 15/11/2024 12:09

AuntieKraker · 15/11/2024 11:57

I understand where you’re coming from but that doesn’t get you a get out of jail free card. You made a decision to join and start the course and their T&Cs aren’t unreasonable or unusual. Your mental health issues do not excuse you from what you signed up to.

You should of course try and negotiate how much you are liable for, and explain your mental health issues, but they are not obliged to agree or take them into account.

I understand your perspective, and I’m not trying to use my mental health as a ‘get out of jail free card.’ I take responsibility for the decisions I’ve made, including signing the T&Cs. However, my mental health struggles, combined with other factors like the misalignment of the program with my goals, are part of why I’m in this situation. What I’m asking for is fairness and understanding, not a complete waiver of responsibility. I only attended 10 days of classes and feel that paying for the entire year is disproportionate. That’s why I’m trying to negotiate a reasonable outcome.
I recognize that the school isn’t legally obliged to consider my circumstances, but I was hoping for some empathy and flexibility, as this situation is genuinely impacting my well-being. I’m not looking for excuses—just a way to move forward.

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AuntieKraker · 15/11/2024 12:10

If both MN and Reddit are telling you that you are liable (I had a look at the Reddit thread and they’ve said the same thing as here) then you might need to accept that you don’t have any grounds to stand on.

You can pay for specialist french law advice, but keep in mind how much that advice will cost against how much you owe and whether it’s worth spending that money.

AuntieKraker · 15/11/2024 12:13

I was hoping for some empathy and flexibility, as this situation is genuinely impacting my well-being

Respectfully, that’s not something anyone apart from the school can help with. It’s up to them to show empathy and flexibility, and any empathy shown here isn’t going to help the practical situation you find yourself in.

Have you considered going back and finishing the course? Maybe you’ll start to enjoy it.

KerryBlues · 15/11/2024 12:14

I’m not looking for excuses—just a way to move forward
At the risk of sounding uncaring, there are no excuses for walking away after a week because you were having difficulty making friends.
You didn't ask the college for help before you did that, so they have no obligation (legal or moral) to consider your circumstances now. Sorry.

StickyWikkit · 15/11/2024 12:17

Did you report your dificulties at the start or at all?

If you will probably find it difficult to show you haven't been supported if you didnt ask for help

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 15/11/2024 12:18

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 11:46

I understand that I signed a contract, but I believe my situation goes beyond simply reading the fine print. My well-being is a priority, and despite my efforts, I’ve struggled to connect with my classmates and feel excluded. It’s not just about being introverted—missing the team-building and being off sick has made it harder to integrate. I don’t think staying in an environment where I’m not comfortable is the best choice for my future. I’m considering my options seriously, but I would appreciate a bit more understanding of my perspective.

So your own actions caused a decline in your mental health.

i hope you are richer than me because I can’t fathom spending so much money and putting in so little effort…. Then taking so little responsibility for my own actions Just reading this post has aged me 15 years.

Of course you should pay- you took another’s spot. Better yet, go back on the course with your head held high and do what you need to to integrate. Sometimes things are hard.

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