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Signed Contract but Only Attended 10 Days – Facing Full Tuition Payment Dilemma in France

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Jormaine · 14/11/2024 16:47

Hi everyone, I’m an 18-year-old fashion student currently facing a major issue with tuition fees after deciding to withdraw from my program. Here’s my situation:

This year, I enrolled in a Bachelor of Fashion Business program at a private fashion school in Paris. The academic year officially started on September 24, 2024, with an orientation that included a presentation of the program, exams, and the school’s app, along with a team-building activity in the afternoon. Due to social anxiety and being generally introverted, I decided to skip the team-building event after meeting another classmate who told me it wasn’t necessary.

Classes began on October 1, and I initially got along with a small group of classmates. However, as an introvert, I found it hard to integrate fully, and over time I started feeling excluded. I even tried to join conversations, but they were brief, and I often felt left out. Eventually, the discomfort started affecting my mental health; I felt anxious, sometimes wanted to cry from frustration, and even started dreading school. As a result, I began missing classes and even took a few days off when I got sick. When I returned, my classmates seemed to distance themselves from me even more, possibly because of my absences.

With all of this, I came to the decision that staying at this school would likely harm my mental health. I wasn’t integrating well, and I was struggling to keep up with some classes in French. So, I decided to look into transferring to a different school that might be a better fit.

When I informed the head of studies and the admissions manager about my decision, they were confused and seemed not to understand my reasons. The admissions manager insisted that the school is affordable compared to other fashion schools and mentioned that many students come to this school after experiencing issues elsewhere. My concerns, though, weren’t with the school itself but rather with the lack of an English program and my own challenges in integrating socially.

The main issue now is the tuition. The full yearly fee is 7,500€, and I had already paid 750€ as an initial payment. The school is demanding the entire 7,000€, citing a clause in the enrollment contract that states:

Art. 2: Any schooling started is due in full.
Art. 3: Only withdrawal in the event of failure of the examination necessary for admission allows the reimbursement of tuition fees committed.

When I asked if they could reduce the amount since I had only attended about 10 days of classes, they refused, saying it wasn’t possible because I had signed this contract. My bank advisor even connected me with legal services, but they only suggested trying to negotiate.

I met again with the director, who also didn’t budge on the tuition. I felt pressured during this meeting, as the admissions manager encouraged me to pay on the spot. I tried to transfer the entire 7,000€, but it didn’t go through, so she instructed me to make smaller transfers until I was able to send 4,000€ total. She then asked me to go to the bank and complete the remaining amount as soon as possible.

After leaving, I called my sister to explain what had happened, and she was furious that I had paid so quickly without fully exploring my options. She thinks I should consult a lawyer to see if I have any grounds to negotiate the fee given my limited attendance.

I’m now feeling lost and overwhelmed. I haven’t told my family everything yet, and I’m unsure how to move forward. If anyone has any advice on whether it’s possible to negotiate a partial fee or if it’s worth seeking legal help, I would be extremely grateful. Thank you for reading, and I appreciate any guidance you can offer.

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LaMontser · 15/11/2024 17:52

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 17:48

Thank you for the suggestion. I heard from the school that they might offer an English program next year, but I don’t know if it’s possible to apply this year’s tuition toward that program. I’ll have to confirm with them if it’s possible.

Ask. You won’t be any worse off even if they refuse.

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 18:07

I’ve been reading all the comments, and while I understand where some of you are coming from, it’s really disappointing to be called ridiculous and told to “grow up.” I get it — I made mistakes, but I’m just trying to figure out the best way to move forward. My mental health and anxiety are not an excuse, but they did contribute to my decision to leave. If I have no other choice but to pay the full 7K, then fine, I’ll do it. But that’s why I’m seeking help here — to see if there’s any possibility of paying for just the time I attended, or at least finding a fair solution.

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 15/11/2024 18:11

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 18:07

I’ve been reading all the comments, and while I understand where some of you are coming from, it’s really disappointing to be called ridiculous and told to “grow up.” I get it — I made mistakes, but I’m just trying to figure out the best way to move forward. My mental health and anxiety are not an excuse, but they did contribute to my decision to leave. If I have no other choice but to pay the full 7K, then fine, I’ll do it. But that’s why I’m seeking help here — to see if there’s any possibility of paying for just the time I attended, or at least finding a fair solution.

That’s the issue- we are telling you the fair solution.

Also that you are being ridiculous over a 10 day experience. Most normal people would give it a few months and wouldn’t dream of being entitled to not pay the money.

you have no idea whether it was in line with your goals or whatever other buzz words you provided etc because you didn’t attend.

AuntieKraker · 15/11/2024 18:24

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 18:07

I’ve been reading all the comments, and while I understand where some of you are coming from, it’s really disappointing to be called ridiculous and told to “grow up.” I get it — I made mistakes, but I’m just trying to figure out the best way to move forward. My mental health and anxiety are not an excuse, but they did contribute to my decision to leave. If I have no other choice but to pay the full 7K, then fine, I’ll do it. But that’s why I’m seeking help here — to see if there’s any possibility of paying for just the time I attended, or at least finding a fair solution.

It’s not for us to decide what the fair solution is. The legal position is clear and that’s what you’re being advised on. You keep posting back saying “but my mental health” or “I didn’t like the course” but none of that is relevant at all.

Only the university can decide if they are happy to negotiate or accept a lower amount. No one here can get them to do that. It is solely up to them. So trying to persuade us why the university should use their discretion really doesn’t get you anywhere. It’s them you need to persuade, not us.

It’s your refusal to accept responsibility for your actions (until this last post) and determination to argue with us why you shouldn’t pay, when it’s not us you owe the money to, that is making you look immature and childish.

InfoSecInTheCity · 15/11/2024 18:31

"Secondly, I applied for a Fashion Business program, but I’m mixed with students from Fashion Creation, and we share many subjects. Fashion Creation is not my area of interest, and it’s hard for me to stay engaged with content that doesn’t align with my goals."

One of the things you might have learned if you had attended more than 10 days is that life is full of situations where you have to work or engage on subjects that don't interest you very much and it's up to you to find a way to find relevance to your topic area and to find ways to stay engaged. The world will not constantly adapt to suit your interests and needs. College/university is a good place to get used to this because if you first experience it in the workplace you'll find yourself losing a lot of jobs.

KerryBlues · 15/11/2024 18:35

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 17:27

I’ve heard everyone loud and clear, but I’m still going to explore my options. Just because most people think one way doesn’t mean there’s no room to negotiate or find a different solution. End of.

End of?!
Maybe try negotiating with the college instead of Mumsnet and Reddit and then you'll get it straight from the horse's mouth. Although you probably won't accept it.
End of... 🤦‍♀️

pavementgerms · 15/11/2024 18:41

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 18:07

I’ve been reading all the comments, and while I understand where some of you are coming from, it’s really disappointing to be called ridiculous and told to “grow up.” I get it — I made mistakes, but I’m just trying to figure out the best way to move forward. My mental health and anxiety are not an excuse, but they did contribute to my decision to leave. If I have no other choice but to pay the full 7K, then fine, I’ll do it. But that’s why I’m seeking help here — to see if there’s any possibility of paying for just the time I attended, or at least finding a fair solution.

The school won't be able to fill your place now. The course has started. Why should they miss out financially on what you're contractually obliged to pay, because you e decided you don't like it?

Interesting that you've pivoted away from "I'm an introvert and didn't want to engage" to "the course isn't what I thought it would be" as the thread has gone on.

decembersnows · 16/11/2024 08:00

OP. Sorry you are in the situation you are in.

Firstly tell your parents. You need their support right now to help you decide your next move.

Secondly even if you were successful at say transferring to a similar course ( or even a dissimilar one) in the UK or elsewhere it is worth baring in mind that your first year is a foundation year generally, where a broad base of topics/modules are taught.

As you work your way through the course, there is an opportunity to specialise further with subjects that best "align with your interests" ( sorry put that in quotes as it's very much a Gen Z phrase and makes me cringe)

If I were you, well it's nearly Christmas? Get your head down and complete the first year. Then look to transfer at the end of the academic year.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 16/11/2024 12:01

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 18:07

I’ve been reading all the comments, and while I understand where some of you are coming from, it’s really disappointing to be called ridiculous and told to “grow up.” I get it — I made mistakes, but I’m just trying to figure out the best way to move forward. My mental health and anxiety are not an excuse, but they did contribute to my decision to leave. If I have no other choice but to pay the full 7K, then fine, I’ll do it. But that’s why I’m seeking help here — to see if there’s any possibility of paying for just the time I attended, or at least finding a fair solution.

The fair solution is to honour the contract you signed and pay. They made a promise to give you a place for a year which they can no longer sell to someone else. You made a promise to pay for that place for a year. They've done their part, you want to reneg on yours. We all understand what's happened and what you want and why you think you deserve it, none of which makes what you're doing right or fair. Your 'reasons' why you think you shouldn't pay, none of those justify not paying. It's all entitlement, and entitlement is the essence of being a CF. There's nothing stopping you from trying to get them to accept less than you owe, they might, if they do it wont be because you're right, or thats whats fair. Sometimes if you stink kick up a big enough fuss, cause enough negative PR, upset people enough you get what you want, doesn't make you right.

Bodeganights · 16/11/2024 14:22

Jormaine · 15/11/2024 14:25

Firstly, I’ve been living in France for 8 years, and although I can speak French, being multilingual means it’s not always easy to be fluent in all five languages I speak. It’s a challenge to balance them, especially in a non-native environment.

Secondly, I applied for a Fashion Business program, but I’m mixed with students from Fashion Creation, and we share many subjects. Fashion Creation is not my area of interest, and it’s hard for me to stay engaged with content that doesn’t align with my goals.

Regarding the language issue, my main concern was the lack of an English program, as I feel I would thrive better in that environment. I didn’t fully anticipate how challenging the social integration would be either, which has contributed to my uncertainty.

I understand that many people have different perspectives, and I appreciate the feedback. But I also need to acknowledge that I’m trying to make the best decision for my well-being and future career. I’m not trying to avoid responsibility, I’m trying to understand my options and make an informed choice.

No one has a different perspective. Almost all of us on this thread say you have choices.
Suck up the cost
Throw yourself on the mercy of the uni
Carry on in the course for the year
And some other idea that I don't remember.

We mostly have sympathy for you, we were all young once, we all did unwise things that cost us somehow.

We cannot know which option would be best for you. The whole point of being an adult is to make the choices and generally live with the consequences until such a time as you can change things.

And although you may have to wait a while, you can always change things.

Regarding the language, I'm amazed after 8 years living in France you are not fluent in french. I dont live there and havent for 30 years and rarely use it day to day and im pretty fluent.

caringcarer · 16/11/2024 16:43

If you signed a contract to pay €7500 in full. You'll have to pay it. That's what a contract is a legally binding contract.

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