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Is Ravi Jayaram Shady? (Lucy Letby)

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ConcernedCitizen0502 · 26/07/2024 10:34

It seems the police made an error with key card swipe timings that was discovered between the first and second Letby trial's.

At the first Letby trial and in the media Dr Ravi Jayaram made a lot of melodramatic statements about having a "precise memory" of looking at his watch "emblazoned" in his mind and "etched in my memories and nightmares forever".

Yet when the keycard error was discovered at the second trial, the altered timings put him against the witness statements of two independent nurses (plus Lucy Letby) and also a note he made to the transport team.

Do you think Dr Ravi Jayaram is trustworthy? He was reprimanded for bullying Lucy Letby before the police became involved in the case. He also guided the direction of the police investigation.

Breakdown of the timings with reference to the court reports here;

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PEACEOUT2 · 14/11/2024 14:33

Ravi Jayaram is as shady as anyone can be. I would take anything he says with high suspicion. He said he saw Lucy over the cot trying to murder a baby.
then he said later that he saw nothing.
He was the medical manager of a failing neo natal unit, a unit that had RAW sewerage coimg out of the ceiling and sink, meaning the nurses had to go other places to wash their hands. There were a lack of medical equipment and storage space, a lack of nurses, agency doctors coming in to cover, nurses from other wards helping out, consultants who were not coming in as much as they should have been. Sometimes when junior doctors were on shift they would have to Google how to do medical proceedures on these tiny babies, because they couldnt get hold of a consultant.
Baby K, was born just 1 1/2 lbs with much wrong medically at birth.
Neo nates like other babies can suddenly die at any time, thats a fact.
why has no one ever mentioned SIDS?

The unit was a dangerous mess, the CQC had said on the 2015 report that the Neo Natal unit was understaffed and UNDER SKILLED. There were consultants treating those babies who had no skills in premature babies.
Trainee doctors were at a loss at times. Lucy was a senoir Neo Natal nurse she was quite experienced in her role.
Lucy knew the unit was a mess and at one point told a friend that it was DANGEROUS and that she was worried.
Lucy used a service called Datix which is a NHS system to report incidences, allerting the healthcare system to potential risks, then staff are notified, then reports are made up and acted apon (well thats the theory).
Lucy complained about a consultant before any consultant made a complaint about her, she WHISTLE-BLOWED. Any one whos ever done that will know what comes after....in a lot of cases....revenge.
And thats what many people now believe. That consultants did not like Lucy complaining about them and thats when the witch hunt started.
Rather than take the can for the units mess the consultants threw a dedicated, conscientious, caring nurse under the bus.
But I believe with all the full evidences coming out now in favour of Lucy that she will be freed eventually, just like the case of a Netherlands nurse: Lucia de Berk.
Many eminent neo natal medical people, scientists, statisticians etc., plus Lucys new solicitor are on board.......

PEACEOUT2 · 14/11/2024 14:37

Time and the more evidences for the defence will show these two to be shown up for the snakes they are.

SereneFish · 14/11/2024 14:40

PilgorTheGoat · 04/09/2024 18:13

Dr Jayaram is an amazing paediatrician, as is his colleague Dr Brearey who I believe also gave evidence.

I can’t imagine he is shady. He came across as very kind, caring and professional on the many occasions I had to see him with my child

My relative had a wonderful experience with her obstetrician. He was very caring and had a great beside manner.

He's now in prison serving a life sentence after murdering his wife so he could be with his mistress.

PEACEOUT2 · 14/11/2024 14:44

Firstly your information re when Lucy started working at the Chester hospital, is incorrect, she started working there in 2012.
In the years 2015 to 2016 the Neo Natal unit started to take in babies that were younger gestation and sicker than what they were used to.
Those babies should not have been put there in the first place.
One baby needed to be moved straight away but another hospital better equiped to deal with his prematurity etc., had no room for him.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 16/11/2024 10:10

I see that Ravi the Ridiculous failed to answer the question at the Thirlwall Inquiry as to whether he’d fulfilled his obligation to patient/public safety.
It is disturbing what an easy ride he and Brearey got from the media in the immediate aftermath of the convictions.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 06/12/2024 20:10

Another reminder in today’s news of what a dishonourable and irresponsible man Ravi the Ridiculous really is
“The inquiry heard that consultant Dr Ravi Jayaram did not mention his suspicions about Letby when he gave evidence at an inquest in October 2016 into the death of […] Child A”

Coroner 'horrified' not to be told of Letby fears https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4glpgn0g28o

A police mugshot of Lucy Letby, who has straight blonde hair and stares into the camera with a blank expression.

Lucy Letby: Cheshire coroner 'horrified' not to be told of doctor's concern

Coroner Nicholas Rheinberg tells a public inquiry he was not made aware of concerns about Lucy Letby.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4glpgn0g28o

Nextdoor55 · 06/12/2024 22:10

Ozanj · 04/09/2024 20:29

The nurses and medical staff had already noticed more babies seemed to die on Lucy’s watch. It’s people ignoring people like Ravi in favour of the white woman that allowed her to murder so many children.

Eh? When did this become about race?
There's a lot of evidence that challenges the LL conviction & he's just one of the doubts

PEACEOUT2 · 07/12/2024 19:58

What absolute tosh, seeing more evidence coming to light FOR the defence. It's more likely Jayaram had it in for Lucy, a white woman....who he and the others used as a scapegoat for their neglect of the babies in that neo natal unit. That shut you up....

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 15/01/2025 07:10

So this is Ravi the Ridiculous from a draft of a letter to the parents of Baby A

”When monitors alarm, it is a signal to the staff to look at them. They often alarm due to movement or poor contact. If an alarm goes off a member of staff may look up at the monitor and if it is clear it is a false reading or just a minor change then no action is necessarily needed. Usually the first move would be to check the baby the monitor was attached to. For example an oxygen monitor may read low but if a baby is pink or there is a poor trace on the monitor then no action would be needed.”

10th February 2016, a week before the Baby K incident

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/evidence/inq0017159-witness-statement-of-jane-tomkinson/
Page 2

INQ0017159 – Witness statement of Jane Tomkinson | The Thirlwall Inquiry

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/evidence/inq0017159-witness-statement-of-jane-tomkinson

Trishsenior · 15/01/2025 10:40

Marydsmyth · 22/09/2024 07:15

I find him to be totally inauthentic and insincere. I wouldn't rely on anything he said. Any consultant who does just 2 rounds a week is totally lacking in any dedication to his work. Lucy Letby's only "sin" was having the impertinence to complain about the doctors. I believe she is a dedicated, caring and compassionate nurse and that she took her work seriously. No good deed goes unpunished. Retired Nurse.

I agree his body language to me looks less than 'authentic' I'm afraid to and sadly to say. Like everyone Doctors are human beings and are not all perfect (shock horror! Am I allowed to say that??!@##).

Trishsenior · 15/01/2025 10:45

Marydsmyth · 22/09/2024 19:11

I think the more appropriate question is: Why did deaths fall when COCH was no longer allowed to look after the very premature babies.

Conditions at COCH were perhaps OK for the full term, stronger babies. However, doctor numbers and their skills, expertise and qualifications were definitely lacking for the care of babies who required high level care - level 3.

Level 3 care is required for the tiny vulnerable premature babies that need so much more 1:1 care. They often require skilled experienced medical intervention like insertion of endotracheal tubes, umbilical venous and arterial catheters for intravenous fluids and monitoring etc. There was only one trained neonatologist working on the ward.

I think its so very unfair to lay blame on a nurse - the one who tried to do her very best.

Retired nurse.

Well said!

beAsensible1 · 15/01/2025 10:47

ConcernedCitizen0502 · 26/07/2024 10:34

It seems the police made an error with key card swipe timings that was discovered between the first and second Letby trial's.

At the first Letby trial and in the media Dr Ravi Jayaram made a lot of melodramatic statements about having a "precise memory" of looking at his watch "emblazoned" in his mind and "etched in my memories and nightmares forever".

Yet when the keycard error was discovered at the second trial, the altered timings put him against the witness statements of two independent nurses (plus Lucy Letby) and also a note he made to the transport team.

Do you think Dr Ravi Jayaram is trustworthy? He was reprimanded for bullying Lucy Letby before the police became involved in the case. He also guided the direction of the police investigation.

Breakdown of the timings with reference to the court reports here;

he and another dr were reprimanded for bullying because they asked for her to be moved of the ward as they thought she was a danger !

there is lots of context and that entire disciplinary and threats to the gmc was a farce and led to more babies being harmed. absolute rubbish

FlippertyFloperty · 15/01/2025 11:31

PilgorTheGoat · 04/09/2024 18:13

Dr Jayaram is an amazing paediatrician, as is his colleague Dr Brearey who I believe also gave evidence.

I can’t imagine he is shady. He came across as very kind, caring and professional on the many occasions I had to see him with my child

I have many NHS colleagues, particularly consultants, who are incredibly charming to patients. They are quite different behind the scenes.

Concerned1911 · 20/01/2025 12:07

I have real concerns about LL conviction. I also have real concerns that she has been denied an appeal. If the conviction is solid, what are the establishment so afraid of.

prh47bridge · 20/01/2025 12:40

Concerned1911 · 20/01/2025 12:07

I have real concerns about LL conviction. I also have real concerns that she has been denied an appeal. If the conviction is solid, what are the establishment so afraid of.

I don't have any view as to whether Letby is guilty or innocent, but I don't think she should have been convicted on the evidence presented. The statistical evidence (the chart allegedly showing she was the only nurse on duty when all the suspicious incidents occurred) is not proof of anything and it is clear there are serious doubts about much of the medical evidence.

However, the problem she faces in getting an appeal is that she needs to show that either there was a problem with the way the trial was conducted, or that there is new evidence throwing doubt on her conviction. The Court of Appeal generally takes the view that evidence that could reasonably have been available to the defence at the time of the trial is not new evidence. For that reason, evidence from statisticians challenging the chart and evidence from medical experts challenging the prosecution experts is generally not classed as new. The decision to refuse an appeal was a normal decision. It doesn't mean the establishment is afraid of anything. To get an appeal, Letby's legal team need to come up with new evidence.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 01/02/2025 15:42

More evidence of the consultants’ unusual cowardice, or maybe just dishonesty
https://archive.ph/vStFU

“We’d never come across a whistleblower who, if backed into a corner by an employer or the NHS, hadn’t dialled 999 when people’s lives had been at risk.
“That’s what we found staggering. It stood out like a sore thumb, especially in a case where there were such serious concerns. I’ve never seen a whistleblower who thought babies were being harmed who left it for more than a week. But in this case, they left it for a number of years.”

NameChangedOfc · 01/02/2025 15:48

ThePure · 26/07/2024 14:02

He believes she is guilty and he will say whatever it takes to get her convicted.
He couldn't possibly be wrong as an esteemed consultant could he?

Very dangerous way of thinking, yes.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 04/02/2025 16:34

Shoo Lee and his crack team of international experts can’t be ignored.

FadedRed · 04/02/2025 17:39

This adds adds an element to the level of competence in the unit, showing that the highly experienced senior Nurse Practitioners had been made redundant and ‘replaced’ with Nursery Nurses. The downgrading/making senior staff redundant is sadly not uncommon in the NHS as a money saving exercise.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lucy-letby-s-hospital-unit-was-acciden

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 13/04/2025 08:54

Jayaram is starting to look more than shady here. His initial account of the Baby K situation had LL calling him for help.
https://x.com/LucyLetbyTrials/status/1911097179957043223

it’s also in the Mail on Sunday today.

https://x.com/LucyLetbyTrials/status/1911097179957043223

Topsy19 · 02/02/2026 20:50

Ozanj · 04/09/2024 20:29

The nurses and medical staff had already noticed more babies seemed to die on Lucy’s watch. It’s people ignoring people like Ravi in favour of the white woman that allowed her to murder so many children.

Ozanj your comment sounds like anti-white prejudice. if the roles were reversed and people were making broad generalizations about race based on the actions of Dr Jayaram, it would be immediately called as racist.

Concerned1911 · 03/02/2026 17:17

It's not a case of colour or lack of it. It's more a sense that Lucy is not guilty. Over time I am confident that will be proven. The parents need to know what really happened to their babies.....

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