Relocation proceedings

[Lostforwords9]

I want to move to Dubai with my child. Ex and I have 60/40 though I have a lives with order. Has anyone done this and was it successful? I actually want to propose that he moves with us. His employer has an office in Dubai and for me work is not an issue at all.

But he’s insane and we had a dirty nasty divorce, abuse and the current setup isn’t working eg he doesn’t do homework with her and won’t let her do any extra curriculars consistently.

Have you given any thought as to how contact will work if you move and your ex chooses to stay in the UK?

The court's prime consideration is your child's welfare. You will need to show that moving to Dubai is in your child's best interests.

As above, how is relocating to Dubai in your dc best interests? What is behind your wish to relocate?

A court will usually default to 'its better for them to stay close to both parents' if that is the current status quo, which it is in your case.

You know he won't relocate with you (what's the benefit to him - the costs involved, travel back to the UK to see friends and family, cost of living, lifestyle change etc- it's not just 'oh his company has an office there - would you relocate if he wanted to move?). Not doing homework or extra curriculars isn't a reason to give you permission to move that far.

Nothing stopping you going on your own op....

Have you checked out the child custody arrangements there if he also goes to Dubai and decides to take legal action for custody in Dubai?

I'd strongly recommend you don't all move together. That could create a massive issue when you want to return - and you already know he's abusive, insane, and not a good parent.

Would he give permission for your child to relocate? I don't think she will get a visa without his permission.

Moving somewhere where things work, better healthcare, no tax, civilized transport, no constantly striking people, developing economy (not one with 0.1% growth), ability to save money. He’s 40 and doesn’t own a house. Not much he’s leaving behind.

the UK is no place to raise a child anymore. Always in the hamster wheel for what? A racist government. Brilliant education in dubai, warmer weather etc etc etc. I want to move because I think my child will have a better quality of life there.

Yes, child stays with the mother always.

That is not quite true and not the whole deal.

It really is worth looking into UAE custody laws more because it sounds terrifying to me.

expatriatelaw.com/arrangements-for-children-after-divorce-in-the-uae/

It's very unlikely for court to grant a relocation order for a permanent/long term move if the other parent doesn't agree with it, even in very serious situation.

How would you go about convincing your ex to move in with you?
Or how would moving in with an ex work?
Or do you wish you could try and get back into a relationship?

You are complaining about the UK having a racist government so you want to move to Dubai????

Does your Ex want to move?
Is he likely to object?
If he does not consent I'd confidently say your child is not going.
There's no argument you've made that outweighs the child losing their parent.
Homework and Clubs are not compulsory or necessary so nor arguments against him.

Yeh at least their government is not egging on genocide in Palestine. Anyway, I’d try to convince him to move bc he doesn’t have to change jobs, his sister lives there and he has friends there. I have family there and will have a support network.

What exactly is good about living in the declining state of the UK? Nothing. I am done with the constant cancelled trains, cost of living, sky high taxes and crap healthcare, pot holes, and paying a bunch of murderers to sponsor genocide.

my child won’t grow up with this.

Nothing is stopping you leaving.

But you should've made these decisions before having a child here.

The child can't leave without his permission
You don't get to decide that unilaterally.

Can I ask what you base this conclusion on? I feel there have been significant decisions made to allow relocation. Eg my child is better suited to warm weather due to a health condition. She will be closer to her grandparents and I have more chances to make more money for her future. He will object just to be a cunt.

Because he is her father.
And under the rights of the child which the courts work under the child has the right to a realtionship with him.
This has been well established, you are unable to prove enough that he is harmful or a risk to the child.
The trauma of being separated from the parent is high and so would only be done in serious situations and nothing you've listed makes up for that.

He's not being a cunt. He wants to be with his child.

The court isn’t concerned about infrastructure and government policy but it will be looking at family life, support networks for your child etc. That’s the argument you’ll need to make. But you really will struggle if he won’t move I’m afraid as losing 40% contact is a big deal.

How old is your child?

My friend did the reverse of your proposal as felt Dubai was NOT the place for a girl/woman.

If your ex doesn't agree then it would have to go to court and a CAFCAS review. It does depend on circumstances which no one here has knowledge of fully, but on the basic details it looks unlikely you would be granted permission to take your daughter away from her father. Can you work with your ex to get agreement?

Except if the father says no, in which case your child will.

Not trying to be mean, just that unless you have very good reasons to move and it is in your child's interest (and telling the court that the UK sucks isn't going to cut it).

I'd put all my energy into trying to convince your ex instead. How often would he be able to see your child? Would you pay for the flight tickets to take him to see his dad in the UK? Could he stay with you when he comes over? Will he get all summer holidays with his dad? What about the in-laws? Are you going to make sure they maintain a good relationship with him through regular phone calls/video calls? Tell him he wouldn't have to pay as much child maintenance if that works for you. Arrange for him to see his aunty regularly, etc... if you are both Muslim, then raising a child in a Muslim country could be a good argument. If you get along with your ex SIL maybe have a chat with her too.

Thank you - what would you consider is enough to grant permission?

It’s a bit weird to worry about the moral compass of the UK government and to use that as an excuse to move somewhere like UAE. It literally denies citizenship on the basis of race and it’s illegal to be gay:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/report-united-arab-emirates/

She will lose a parent if you move, this will outweigh everything else

Since you already are the resident parent, you'll just need a notorised written permission from their dad.

If you mean what's enough to get permission from the court, the best course of action is to hire a family law solicitor. You can get free legal advice from Rights of Women on 02072516577

Your ex will probably argue Dubai isn’t a good place for a female to grow up.

The courts will say the U.K. is fine, they won’t care about the economy or crime, etc in the U.K. so unless your ex agrees to it I can’t see it happening. The court are very unlikely to allow your Dd to lose such regular contact with her dad.

You need to prove how you will commit to maininting theor relationship.
So how often will you pay to fly her back and forth?

He can have 80% school holidays, not pay maintenance and I will pay for his flights there 5x a year. Regular video calls, visits, I’m not trying to stop contact FGS I am asking him to come with. From what I’ve read there must be genuine motivation and not just an attempt to write him out.

His flights there?
And how often will you fly her back here?

I'd also tell him to argue for 100% of holidays if he wanted to negotiate. Even though his flat out no Is probably enough.