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Ring stolen/given away by gem valuation lab.

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helpisneeded10 · 10/05/2023 15:52

TLDR; Valuable ring stolen/given away to unknown person at gem valuation lab - what are my options?

First of all, let me apologise for this long account but I think some of the finer points are relevant as it pertains to this case.

A year ago, I purchased a ruby/diamond ring for ~£4k from a prominent auction house in Paris. I wanted to know whether the gem had been heat treated, since untreated gems are more valuable. So I took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street, London, to obtain a more detailed report.

My mother took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street and the arrangement was that they would examine the item and then provide me with a verbal report and, if required, a written report. She handed the ring to the lab and was given a form where she filled in my details, including my name and address and her own phone number. The COO of the lab noted down the description of the ring and made a copy of the form and handed this back to my mother. They told her that we would hear from them by the end of the week. I called a number of times and was told that the ring was yet to be examined. About a week after the initial delivery estimate, I called again and was informed over the phone that a man had collected my ring. This, of course, came as a complete shock as I had not arranged a collection with anyone else. I did not know who this man was and had not given them permission to give my ring to anyone. The very least the gem lab could have done was to call me to confirm if I had arranged someone to pick up the item.

I reported this as a theft to the police via telephone after the COO claimed that she called the man back on his phone and he confirmed that he had been told to pick up the ring.

I then went to their gem lab in Bond Street and met with the COO. I also made a full audio recording of this meeting and still have this. She informed me that a man had supplied them with my name and address; he stated that he worked with me and my mother; he stated that I wished to cancel the report, and that he would therefore be collecting the ring on my behalf.

The COO stated that the company thought that the man was acting on my behalf as he had provided all of my details. They did not take his ID, but the suspect supposedly left his name and phone number with them. I asked when the man had called as I had also called on the same day. COO then stated that the man had actually called on the day after my call.

I was completely shocked upon hearing this information. I do not understand how the man got my details and knew about the ring. COO claimed that the suspect relayed all of the details on the form provided by the company, without actually presenting a physical copy of the form itself. I work from home in an industry completely unrelated to gems and have not informed anyone aside from my immediate household family members about my ring. The only other people that had the information was the gem lab. I suspect that someone working there was involved as that is the only way the suspect could have gotten the details.

It shocks me that the company released my high value ring to the suspect, despite having my mother’s phone number in their records. In the audio recording, COO claimed that the number from which the man called, resembled the one on the form and that his story was convincing.

The company neglected to verify any of the claims he made in addition to checking the phone number they actually had on file. COO admits in the recording that they made an error. She also stated that she had examined the ring, which poses questions as to why she hadn’t provided me with the verbal report in order to receive payment for the service I had required. They released the ring to the man without asking for payment for any services.
The COO denied responsibility by telling me to make a claim via insurance. I had no insurance for this item.

I then went back a second time to this office to meet with the COO. She refused to let me in and only spoke via the intercom and seemed very evasive. I recorded this encounter and sent it to the police.

After reaching out to the jeweller who created the ring, they informed me that the ring I purchased was worth about $25k-30k, if it were to be recreated in today’s prices. It was a custom-made ring and is unique.

No further effort was made by the lab to try and return the ring to me or to recompense me accordingly for my loss or accept responsibility for their grievous error. The company did not carry out a simple check by calling me or by asking the man for any form of ID. The COO told me she would supply call logs and CCTV to the police. The police only retrieved the CCTV and have closed the case since the suspect couldn’t be identified and the gem lab wasn’t treated as a suspect. It has been a year and nothing has been done.

I wanted to ask what sort of legal recourse is available to me and how likely am I to obtain some form of monetary compensation for my loss?

I would be grateful if readers here could point me in the right direction or give me any tips on the best way to pursue this. To that end, I have a few preliminary questions/points which I would be really grateful if anyone could clarify:

  1. Do I pursue this through the small claims court or instruct a solicitor to send them a strong letter, or both?
  2. If so, is it straightforward?
  3. What do you think the likely chance of success is in a situation such as mine?
  4. Would it be worth pursuing?
  5. What would be the likelihood of a best case scenario/outcome or a worst case scenario/outcome?
  6. Could I get recompensed for the loss I have made in terms of the potential worth of this ring. I could have made 2X the original buying price if the ring was handed back to me.
  7. Or will the court only consider the actual monetary value of my loss? And what about the loss of time, expenses and costs I’ve incurred as a result of this whole ordeal?
  8. Does the time lapse of a year after this incident took place raise questions as to why legal proceedings weren’t triggered before? I.e. does it work to my disadvantage?

If any of you could give me any insights at all, no matter how small, or point me in the right direction— even in terms of the best way to seek legal advice for such an issue, or best avenues to pursue this.

Thank you all for reading, I’m really grateful for your help and time.

TLDR; Valuable ring stolen/given away to unknown person at gem valuation lab - what are my options?

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Querty123456 · 06/07/2023 06:45

Does this company have social media accounts? If so, start publicly announcing on them the issue. That can often yield good results.

Dragonsmother · 06/07/2023 07:22

I would go the the press!
soon you will find more people who have experienced the same.
it is totally suspicious. Which jeweller dealing with high value items doesn’t have good CCTV?!!

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 06/07/2023 07:36

Go to a solicitor and take them to court to refund you the cost to replace the ring. You'll need to get a written estimate from the auction house that came back with the increased valuation. I'd not go down the social media route until you've spoken to a solicitor

RandomMess · 06/07/2023 07:43

Have you looked at the legal cover with your home insurance and spoken with them?

FlamingoQueen · 06/07/2023 07:54

Not a single person beyond my mum knew about this ring.

You said no one apart from you and your Mum and immediate family members knew about the ring. So, could it have been a family member or they told a friend about it?

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 06/07/2023 07:57

Sue them.
Why would they hand it over without express permission and certainly without proof of ID that they kept?.
It has either been lost or stolen by them/their staff.

ChattermaxFromBluey · 06/07/2023 10:02

My immediate thought is Google Adwords scam.

How did you find the jeweller in the first place? Did you click on a few websites in Google? Or type in the jeweller's website and go immediately to that? Did you fill in any forms about the ring online? E.g. requesting online valuations or requesting appointments?

Scammers can set up websites in any name (maybe even something close to the Bond Street jeweller?) and rank #1 for them via Adwords. Is it possible you've filled any forms in requesting valuations from different jewellers online, or appointment online? Maybe one of those sites is a scam sites?

Did any jewellers phone you about what you'd input, for example, to see if you're still interested? Perhaps you told them "no thanks, the ring is with another jeweller now, they're valuing it?"

Then the owner of the scam site could take the info you input, and the knowledge that it's with a jeweller, then phone around, "machine gun" style "spray and pray" at all top jewellers until he finds the ring in question and then pretend he's picking it up for you.

It's elaborate but Googling around looking at similar scams, I don't think it's out of the question.

Acatnamedfox · 06/07/2023 11:50

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Karatema · 06/07/2023 12:17

"All business need to publicly display their insurance certificates. So it should be accessible and make the claim via them" - this is not true! The law states the Certificate of Employers' Liability must be visible to all staff so it could be displayed, like ours is, in a staff room.

Speak to a solicitor regarding the theft.

Solonomi · 06/07/2023 12:35

One of the strangest threads I’ve ever read and it’s on Reddit too? You didn’t have insurance which is daft - and surely you just go to a solicitor & get advice and go from there? Not sure after all this time what you are hoping for from random online chat forums?

Solonomi · 06/07/2023 12:36

@Acatnamedfox can you link the Reddit thread? I’m curious now!

DataNotLore · 06/07/2023 12:39

Small claims court

Whataretalkingabout · 06/07/2023 13:26

I would take your story to the local media with photos of the ring and gem lab.

Solonomi · 06/07/2023 13:34

I found the Reddit thread and someone on there has discovered in the T&C’s that you signed that the lab states you must have insurance. If you didn’t, although it is horrible that you have been a victim of a crime, you probably have absolutely no legal recourse. Awful situation for you but you probably just have to move on from it.

Somethingintheattic · 06/07/2023 13:37

This is very strange. I know this isn't helpful but surely you would insure the ring before it left your possession - your Mum could have dropped the ring, been mugged on the way to the shop - unlikely but possible. Also I do not understand
why you have not followed this up sooner rather than asking people on the Internet.

Acatnamedfox · 06/07/2023 13:54

Love the way mumsnet deleted my post unnecessarily yet allow the bullying and belittling of minorities to go on unmonitored..
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WhyDoesChocolateTasteSoGood · 06/07/2023 15:14

Solonomi · 06/07/2023 13:34

I found the Reddit thread and someone on there has discovered in the T&C’s that you signed that the lab states you must have insurance. If you didn’t, although it is horrible that you have been a victim of a crime, you probably have absolutely no legal recourse. Awful situation for you but you probably just have to move on from it.

But surely it would be the businesses insurance op needs to claim through in this case anyway.

stayingcool · 06/07/2023 20:53

I thought the purpose of the valuation process was to get the ring valued so that the OP would then know how much to insure it for? So it's reasonable to presume it's not insured yet

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I think the point PipMumsnet is making is that you should report OP's posts to Mumsnet if you think she is a troll. Troll hunting posts, which yours seemed to be, are banned.

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Pointing out things you think are discrepancies and referring to posts on other sites you believe are by the same poster may be viewed as troll hunting as it sounds like you are suggesting OP's posts are untrue. However, I'm guessing. I don't have any inside information. I see posts elsewhere that look like troll hunting that don't get deleted, presumably because noone reports them.

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