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Ring stolen/given away by gem valuation lab.

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helpisneeded10 · 10/05/2023 15:52

TLDR; Valuable ring stolen/given away to unknown person at gem valuation lab - what are my options?

First of all, let me apologise for this long account but I think some of the finer points are relevant as it pertains to this case.

A year ago, I purchased a ruby/diamond ring for ~£4k from a prominent auction house in Paris. I wanted to know whether the gem had been heat treated, since untreated gems are more valuable. So I took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street, London, to obtain a more detailed report.

My mother took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street and the arrangement was that they would examine the item and then provide me with a verbal report and, if required, a written report. She handed the ring to the lab and was given a form where she filled in my details, including my name and address and her own phone number. The COO of the lab noted down the description of the ring and made a copy of the form and handed this back to my mother. They told her that we would hear from them by the end of the week. I called a number of times and was told that the ring was yet to be examined. About a week after the initial delivery estimate, I called again and was informed over the phone that a man had collected my ring. This, of course, came as a complete shock as I had not arranged a collection with anyone else. I did not know who this man was and had not given them permission to give my ring to anyone. The very least the gem lab could have done was to call me to confirm if I had arranged someone to pick up the item.

I reported this as a theft to the police via telephone after the COO claimed that she called the man back on his phone and he confirmed that he had been told to pick up the ring.

I then went to their gem lab in Bond Street and met with the COO. I also made a full audio recording of this meeting and still have this. She informed me that a man had supplied them with my name and address; he stated that he worked with me and my mother; he stated that I wished to cancel the report, and that he would therefore be collecting the ring on my behalf.

The COO stated that the company thought that the man was acting on my behalf as he had provided all of my details. They did not take his ID, but the suspect supposedly left his name and phone number with them. I asked when the man had called as I had also called on the same day. COO then stated that the man had actually called on the day after my call.

I was completely shocked upon hearing this information. I do not understand how the man got my details and knew about the ring. COO claimed that the suspect relayed all of the details on the form provided by the company, without actually presenting a physical copy of the form itself. I work from home in an industry completely unrelated to gems and have not informed anyone aside from my immediate household family members about my ring. The only other people that had the information was the gem lab. I suspect that someone working there was involved as that is the only way the suspect could have gotten the details.

It shocks me that the company released my high value ring to the suspect, despite having my mother’s phone number in their records. In the audio recording, COO claimed that the number from which the man called, resembled the one on the form and that his story was convincing.

The company neglected to verify any of the claims he made in addition to checking the phone number they actually had on file. COO admits in the recording that they made an error. She also stated that she had examined the ring, which poses questions as to why she hadn’t provided me with the verbal report in order to receive payment for the service I had required. They released the ring to the man without asking for payment for any services.
The COO denied responsibility by telling me to make a claim via insurance. I had no insurance for this item.

I then went back a second time to this office to meet with the COO. She refused to let me in and only spoke via the intercom and seemed very evasive. I recorded this encounter and sent it to the police.

After reaching out to the jeweller who created the ring, they informed me that the ring I purchased was worth about $25k-30k, if it were to be recreated in today’s prices. It was a custom-made ring and is unique.

No further effort was made by the lab to try and return the ring to me or to recompense me accordingly for my loss or accept responsibility for their grievous error. The company did not carry out a simple check by calling me or by asking the man for any form of ID. The COO told me she would supply call logs and CCTV to the police. The police only retrieved the CCTV and have closed the case since the suspect couldn’t be identified and the gem lab wasn’t treated as a suspect. It has been a year and nothing has been done.

I wanted to ask what sort of legal recourse is available to me and how likely am I to obtain some form of monetary compensation for my loss?

I would be grateful if readers here could point me in the right direction or give me any tips on the best way to pursue this. To that end, I have a few preliminary questions/points which I would be really grateful if anyone could clarify:

  1. Do I pursue this through the small claims court or instruct a solicitor to send them a strong letter, or both?
  2. If so, is it straightforward?
  3. What do you think the likely chance of success is in a situation such as mine?
  4. Would it be worth pursuing?
  5. What would be the likelihood of a best case scenario/outcome or a worst case scenario/outcome?
  6. Could I get recompensed for the loss I have made in terms of the potential worth of this ring. I could have made 2X the original buying price if the ring was handed back to me.
  7. Or will the court only consider the actual monetary value of my loss? And what about the loss of time, expenses and costs I’ve incurred as a result of this whole ordeal?
  8. Does the time lapse of a year after this incident took place raise questions as to why legal proceedings weren’t triggered before? I.e. does it work to my disadvantage?

If any of you could give me any insights at all, no matter how small, or point me in the right direction— even in terms of the best way to seek legal advice for such an issue, or best avenues to pursue this.

Thank you all for reading, I’m really grateful for your help and time.

TLDR; Valuable ring stolen/given away to unknown person at gem valuation lab - what are my options?

OP posts:
BonnieGlasses · 10/05/2023 15:57

The first thing that struck me reading this was, how trustworthy is your mum? Is she having money troubles?

JuneOsborne · 10/05/2023 16:01

Had you insured the ring?

What did the police say?

What are the reviews like for this lab?

Why, now, a year later?

helpisneeded10 · 10/05/2023 16:03

My mum has nothing to do with this. She is 100% trustworthy.

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helpisneeded10 · 10/05/2023 16:05

JuneOsborne · 10/05/2023 16:01

Had you insured the ring?

What did the police say?

What are the reviews like for this lab?

Why, now, a year later?

Ring was not insured.

The lab seems legit and has been in Bond Street a long time. Often deals with millions of pounds in stones.

I pursued it for a few months but police and the lab itself did nothing and then I was busy with life/work and put it on the back burner.

OP posts:
helpisneeded10 · 10/05/2023 16:06

BonnieGlasses · 10/05/2023 15:57

The first thing that struck me reading this was, how trustworthy is your mum? Is she having money troubles?

My mum has nothing to do with this. She is 100% trustworthy.

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Belmondo · 10/05/2023 16:06

Sorry to hear this OP, but what a strange situation.

My first thought is, have the police given you a crime ref number?

Also,.do you still have the copy of the form and was your mother given any info on T&Cs? Does the form refer to anything like that?

FortofPud · 10/05/2023 16:09

I have no idea but feel very cross on your behalf - they admit the screw up was theirs but leave you with the burden of the loss?! It certainly all seems very suspicious, especially that the man they allowed to walk out with it wasn't made to pay for the inspection.

I hope you can find some legal solution. Have you looked into the amounts you can claim in small claims court, and the amount of time that can pass before making a claim.? I suspect you'd only be able to claim for your actual loss, and not for potential gain, but that's still 4k.

brassbells · 10/05/2023 16:16

Was this man or someone else inside the building and recorded/overheard your details on his phone or paper when your mum dropped off the ring?

If they had your name and mum's name and address etc and then just repeated them to collect the ring

GarlicGrace · 10/05/2023 16:20

Good grief, that's awful! Since you can afford it, I'd suggest getting a lawyer (criminal) sharpish. There's a crime called conversion - I think if the shop were to be found guilty of it you'd need evidence that they knew the man, but such questions are for the lawyer to consider.

For you, the main thing isn't a criminal prosecution but getting your money back - or the ring. Important question: will the original makers of the ring confirm what they told you in writing? It sounds like they knew about the auction, so you should be able to establish a paper trail from the ring's manufacture to your ownership.

If the lab's in Bond Street and they stole your ring, it's highly unlikely it was worth £4k. I think you should do everything to get it back - confirming that it's original, not a copy! If you can't, sue them for the £25k.

A repairer stole my Mum's gold watch, years ago but I'm still angry about it. Please don't be like her and let it slide - this massive abuse of trust must go on all the time. And your ring is many times more valuable.

Monkeytapper · 10/05/2023 16:23

who took the ring, you or your Mum?

'So I took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street, London, to obtain a more detailed report.

My mother took the ring to a gem lab in Bond Street

MissingMoominMamma · 10/05/2023 16:24

When you phoned them before you found out it was missing, did you give your details over the phone? Could someone have overheard and jotted them down? Were you at work?

NaturalStudy · 10/05/2023 16:25

You dont need a criminal lawyer you need a civil litigation solicitor. You need to issue a county court claim against them. The long and short of it is you havent got your ring back, so they need to compensate you for the loss. The time limit for claims is 6 years so waiting a year wont be an issue.

GarlicGrace · 10/05/2023 16:26

NaturalStudy · 10/05/2023 16:25

You dont need a criminal lawyer you need a civil litigation solicitor. You need to issue a county court claim against them. The long and short of it is you havent got your ring back, so they need to compensate you for the loss. The time limit for claims is 6 years so waiting a year wont be an issue.

Thanks, that's the phrase I couldn't think of 😂

FurAndFeathers · 10/05/2023 16:28

NaturalStudy · 10/05/2023 16:25

You dont need a criminal lawyer you need a civil litigation solicitor. You need to issue a county court claim against them. The long and short of it is you havent got your ring back, so they need to compensate you for the loss. The time limit for claims is 6 years so waiting a year wont be an issue.

This

speak to a solicitor

SaturdayGiraffe · 10/05/2023 16:30

If there is a way to notify jewellery dealers and auction houses of the item’s theft, I would look into it.
They must be used to bulletins of such a nature.
The man won’t have taken it just to wear.

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 10/05/2023 16:35

speak to a solicitor. Try to get one that is experienced and successful in Civil Litigation. Lots of Solicitors will do it, but they're likely to do a bit if everything and not necessarily the best in this field.

cleanbreak2022 · 10/05/2023 16:47

This must be incredibly frustrating.

Essentially the ring has been stolen from the lab.

It was handed over by you in good faith, and you have a receipt.

The ring was then awarded to an unknown person and handed over by the lab. This is the 'theft'.

I would ask for their insurance details, you may have legal representation on your home insurance. Despite the ring not being insured the legal cover may step in here.

All business need to publicly display their insurance certificates. So it should be accessible and make the claim via them.

This would be long winded though.

Secondly, a claim via small claims, may be difficult because are you suing for the cost or the value? Small claims has a limit on what you can claim for. I can't quite remember what it is.

If you can start the small claims proceeding you will be offered mediation before a court date, if both parties are in agreement.

I think work out what you want to be compensated for (loss or value) then go from there. You will need an appraisal from the jeweller you purchased the ring from and the purchase receipt.

There is a booked referred to as 'the white book' with civil law in it. It may be worth a read to check your position

Rosa · 10/05/2023 16:51

I would start of with a solicitor letter . NOte I have no legal background and I am very surprised that the lab have done nothing as they should have never released such a valuable item to someone without your mother or your approval . WHo says it wasnt an inside job ?

Bananah · 10/05/2023 16:53

The lab took the item from you then (according to them) gave it to someone who was not you and had no actual evidence of any relationship with you. They also failed to ID this person. They are wholly responsible and their insurance needs to pay out. Get a solicitor.

MsRosley · 10/05/2023 16:54

They released the ring to the man without asking for payment for any services.

This alone is incredibly suspicious. I agree that this was likely an inside job. Nothing the COO says seems to add up, and if they're dealing with such valuable items, surely they have extensive CCTV? Not to mention proper vetting procedures before handing over said valuables to someone other than the person commissioning the report.

If the police won't properly investigate and press charges, then I'd definitely sue.

W0tnow · 10/05/2023 16:56

Do they have cctv cameras at this place?

drpet49 · 10/05/2023 16:57

Bananah · 10/05/2023 16:53

The lab took the item from you then (according to them) gave it to someone who was not you and had no actual evidence of any relationship with you. They also failed to ID this person. They are wholly responsible and their insurance needs to pay out. Get a solicitor.

This.

The shop’s story sounds like a crock of shit.

Catspyjamas17 · 10/05/2023 16:59

Yes, sounds like a convenient way for them to keep a valuable ring.

MuffinToSeeHere · 10/05/2023 17:03

The fact they didn't accept any payment for the service before releasing the ring screams inside job to be honest. Surely they have CCTV if they deal with items of high value? Also the fact your mum only had to fill in a sheet and there was no contract/terms etc to read and sign is also very weird.

You need legal advice asap.

Wallaw · 10/05/2023 17:52

This is all so strange.

Are you sure they are a reputable company? I've had jewellery valued before and have never been allowed to leave without a written description and photo of each item that they then go through piece by piece when I collect it.

I'm surprised the lab accepted the ring without having ascertained first that it was insured. Additionally, they must have their own insurance that would cover such a loss without blinking at that amount. And, if they allowed it to leave with someone else, it's either their liability or such extreme carelessness so as to potentially destroy their reputation. So their behaviour in not offering you a settlement is really very odd and difficult to understand since it opens them to avoidable legal proceedings and very bad publicity. Have you threatened to plaster the story and/or bad reviews on social media?

With all due respect, if it's a genuine gem lab, someone doing an inside job would go for something with much higher value, and easier resale than your piece. A big diamond without a GIA inscription would be easy to resell. A unique, custom made piece by an identifiable maker, much less so. Completely not worth it for something that would be 30,000 (retail) to remake.

Something very strange is going on.

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