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Divorce Finances - Will this happen?

57 replies

WishItWereSummer · 22/03/2023 11:16

Hello MN,

Have MC for this and posting for advice on behalf of a friend.

Currently divorcing couple. H is not a high earner £43k pa. W works PT. 4 Children, 16, 15, 12, 5. House Equity £30k approx.

H has moved out and is currently paying the mortgage & bills on the marital home whilst the W lives there with the children.

Have had several mediation sessions to work our finances but all have failed. W wants the H to continue to pay Mortgage, Bills & Child Support until youngest reaches 18, and is adamant that a court would grant this.
H currently cannot afford to continue paying all of this and house himself.

He has offered:

  1. To sell and split equity 60/40 to the wife with pension sharing order
  2. To sell and give all equity to the wife with no pension claims
  3. She buys him out of the property and takes over the mortgage herself
  4. She gets a Mesher Order and stays until youngest reaches 18 but she has to cover mortgage payments and bills and he will pay Child Support as agreed

She's refused them all, and thinks that the courts will allow her to stay until youngest is 18 and he will have to pay Mortgage & Bills as well as Child Support.

This can't be right surely?

Thanks in advance

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Quitelikeit · 22/03/2023 15:20

Can I ask are you the other woman and did this man leave his marriage for you?!

If so I can understand the wife’s reluctance to be reasonable

Quitelikeit · 22/03/2023 15:22

Sorry just re read you are a friend

Can I ask is the private rent in the area just as much as the mortgage?

I do feel sorry for her a little bit as if so she and the kids are going to be totally screwed

It is good that he is prepared to help out with childcare for the 5 yo

SheilaFentiman · 22/03/2023 15:23

Quitelikeit · 22/03/2023 15:20

Can I ask are you the other woman and did this man leave his marriage for you?!

If so I can understand the wife’s reluctance to be reasonable

The OP has stated she’s asking for a friend. Why not take that at face value?

PizzaPastaWine · 22/03/2023 17:39

Quitelikeit · 22/03/2023 15:20

Can I ask are you the other woman and did this man leave his marriage for you?!

If so I can understand the wife’s reluctance to be reasonable

The reason for the end of the marriage has no bearing on how the stbEX should play it. Let's not forget there are two parents here and both want to be involved with the DC.

The woman works 20 hours a week. She needs to work more regardless of the reason for breakdown of her marriage. Perpetuating this part time lifestyle on her ex's cash is ultimately stopping her (and him) from moving on.

I'd speak with the mortgage lender and pay interest only/mortgage holiday and stop paying any bill I had no part of. I'd then force court regardless of the cost....it'll probably be cheaper than what he is doing now.

In the meantime, when shes not benefiting of his dime she may be forced to increase her hours. If not, the judge will make his decision based upon her depriving herself of a decent wage.

Rose7728 · 23/03/2023 12:08

My DP was in a very similar situation his ExW refused to negotiate, he tried via mediation but she refused that offer too. No point trying to negotiate with someone who refuses to engage (wish he had known this before paying for mediation) i would recommend getting the MIAM cert and submitting the FORM A to court. Once the summons comes through that does tend to focus the other parties mind a bit. Be warned though its taken my DP nearly 3 years to eventually buy his ex out due to the backlog of the courts and her unwillingness to negotiate/participate

BetterFuture1985 · 28/03/2023 10:27

@WishItWereSummer Sorry, I've been meaning to reply to this for a few days. Things you should do immediately:

  1. Stop paying the full mortgage. Pay half and write your wife a letter telling her it is her responsibility to pay the other half. Also make it very clear in the letter that this is a temporary arrangement until the finances are settled and you cannot afford to pay it on a long term basis on top of your existing housing costs after that. This is important because you don't want to appear to a court to be able to meet your own housing needs and also contribute to hers. Also, often when women like this have to pull their finger out and contribute their fair share financially they often lose interest in keeping the FMH!

  2. Also tell her you will no longer be paying her bills as you have your own bills to pay and cannot afford to. You do not want to create a precedent for spousal maintenance.

  3. Open a case with CMS and also begin paying what the CMS calculator says. This will make it impossible for a court to try and foist a global maintenance order on you (although this would be unlikely on your income anyway).

Now, onto the case more generally. Your STBXW is obviously suffering from a common delusion of the weaker financial party that their needs will be met in their entirety whilst the stronger financial party will toil all hours and live in a cardboard box. This is not going to happen. Whilst divorce does unfairly reward lazy spouses because it doesn't treat them any differently to spouses who genuinely made a big contribution at home (because it will still look to meet the needs of lazy spouses), in all other respects Family Courts seek to be fair.

What a smart person in divorce does is that they make a good attempt to understand the needs of both parties. In your case that's not that easy to do because there is not a lot of money to go around and that might mean some temporary hardship for you in order to meet the needs of the children but you will get your money back and this hardship won't last 12 years. Probably more like 2.

The first thing to do is work out your respective incomes. Your wife earns £20k, which is £1,467 a month net. She will also receive £626 a month in universal credit, £282 in child benefit and probably around £600 in child maintenance from you. That's an income of nearly £3k a month. You meanwhile will have an income of £2.2k a month after paying child maintenance. So if she cannot afford the mortgage, then you certainly can't! Also, renting tends to cost more than the mortgage these days which further supports your case. Oh, and of course someone as dependent on UC as your STBXW can be easily screwed over anyway. If you had to pay the mortgage, you would of course insist on paying it as spousal maintenance which would wipe out her UC claim 😁But on an income like yours, it is not going to come to that because she already takes home more than you.

Earning capacity is also a factor. If she is working less than 25 hours with a 5 year old, she will be deemed capable of working more. By the time the youngest is 11, she will also be expected to work full time. To be honest she is already going to be on 75% of what you were on as a couple (plus she'll have access to other benefits too as she is a UC claimant) so she is taking the piss asking you to pay the mortgage to be honest.

As for the house, she will have home rights over it even if it is only your name on the mortgage and some kind of Mesher Order might be necessary on a short term basis but she would be expected to have her name added to the mortgage, pay it and have you indemnified. She certainly won't get a Mesher Order for 12 years though. There's a big age gap between your eldest three and youngest child and she might reasonably be expected to downsize when your third eldest is 18 in 6 years time. She might even be expected to downsize in 2 years time as your two eldest become adults. There's also the factor of affordability. Get it in writing from her that she can't afford the mortgage and use it against her if it goes to court. If she can't afford it on her own, the house will have to be ordered to be sold.

If there is any Mesher Order for any period though, make sure of the following:

  1. Insert a no cohabitation clause. A Mesher Order will prevent you from moving on and might cause you difficulties in future relationships until it is resolved. Make sure she has to suffer the same limbo because it will motivate her to end the order;
  2. Insist on a 50/50 split on the grounds that your mortgage capacity has value that you cannot benefit from and you should be compensated for that;
  3. Ensure there are clauses preventing her increasing borrowing against the equity or taking on any other debt of any kind if she is subject to a best endeavours clause to remove you from the mortgage. Also ensure the mortgage is not allowed to be changed from full repayment to interest only.
  4. Have yourself indemnified against late or missed payments.

Finally, I'm sorry you're having to go through this. Your wife is obviously very selfish and a bit of a parasite. You have to stand firm and don't cave in to her bullying. Legally she hasn't got a leg to stand on.

WishItWereSummer · 28/03/2023 11:37

BetterFuture1985 · 28/03/2023 10:27

@WishItWereSummer Sorry, I've been meaning to reply to this for a few days. Things you should do immediately:

  1. Stop paying the full mortgage. Pay half and write your wife a letter telling her it is her responsibility to pay the other half. Also make it very clear in the letter that this is a temporary arrangement until the finances are settled and you cannot afford to pay it on a long term basis on top of your existing housing costs after that. This is important because you don't want to appear to a court to be able to meet your own housing needs and also contribute to hers. Also, often when women like this have to pull their finger out and contribute their fair share financially they often lose interest in keeping the FMH!

  2. Also tell her you will no longer be paying her bills as you have your own bills to pay and cannot afford to. You do not want to create a precedent for spousal maintenance.

  3. Open a case with CMS and also begin paying what the CMS calculator says. This will make it impossible for a court to try and foist a global maintenance order on you (although this would be unlikely on your income anyway).

Now, onto the case more generally. Your STBXW is obviously suffering from a common delusion of the weaker financial party that their needs will be met in their entirety whilst the stronger financial party will toil all hours and live in a cardboard box. This is not going to happen. Whilst divorce does unfairly reward lazy spouses because it doesn't treat them any differently to spouses who genuinely made a big contribution at home (because it will still look to meet the needs of lazy spouses), in all other respects Family Courts seek to be fair.

What a smart person in divorce does is that they make a good attempt to understand the needs of both parties. In your case that's not that easy to do because there is not a lot of money to go around and that might mean some temporary hardship for you in order to meet the needs of the children but you will get your money back and this hardship won't last 12 years. Probably more like 2.

The first thing to do is work out your respective incomes. Your wife earns £20k, which is £1,467 a month net. She will also receive £626 a month in universal credit, £282 in child benefit and probably around £600 in child maintenance from you. That's an income of nearly £3k a month. You meanwhile will have an income of £2.2k a month after paying child maintenance. So if she cannot afford the mortgage, then you certainly can't! Also, renting tends to cost more than the mortgage these days which further supports your case. Oh, and of course someone as dependent on UC as your STBXW can be easily screwed over anyway. If you had to pay the mortgage, you would of course insist on paying it as spousal maintenance which would wipe out her UC claim 😁But on an income like yours, it is not going to come to that because she already takes home more than you.

Earning capacity is also a factor. If she is working less than 25 hours with a 5 year old, she will be deemed capable of working more. By the time the youngest is 11, she will also be expected to work full time. To be honest she is already going to be on 75% of what you were on as a couple (plus she'll have access to other benefits too as she is a UC claimant) so she is taking the piss asking you to pay the mortgage to be honest.

As for the house, she will have home rights over it even if it is only your name on the mortgage and some kind of Mesher Order might be necessary on a short term basis but she would be expected to have her name added to the mortgage, pay it and have you indemnified. She certainly won't get a Mesher Order for 12 years though. There's a big age gap between your eldest three and youngest child and she might reasonably be expected to downsize when your third eldest is 18 in 6 years time. She might even be expected to downsize in 2 years time as your two eldest become adults. There's also the factor of affordability. Get it in writing from her that she can't afford the mortgage and use it against her if it goes to court. If she can't afford it on her own, the house will have to be ordered to be sold.

If there is any Mesher Order for any period though, make sure of the following:

  1. Insert a no cohabitation clause. A Mesher Order will prevent you from moving on and might cause you difficulties in future relationships until it is resolved. Make sure she has to suffer the same limbo because it will motivate her to end the order;
  2. Insist on a 50/50 split on the grounds that your mortgage capacity has value that you cannot benefit from and you should be compensated for that;
  3. Ensure there are clauses preventing her increasing borrowing against the equity or taking on any other debt of any kind if she is subject to a best endeavours clause to remove you from the mortgage. Also ensure the mortgage is not allowed to be changed from full repayment to interest only.
  4. Have yourself indemnified against late or missed payments.

Finally, I'm sorry you're having to go through this. Your wife is obviously very selfish and a bit of a parasite. You have to stand firm and don't cave in to her bullying. Legally she hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. It's incredibly helpful advice, and I will pass it on to my friend.

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