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Daughter wanted answers about her Dad

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Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 10:11

My ex left me 10 years ago following years of DV. Our child was a toddler at the time, now a teenager.

As a brief back story our marriage disintegrated when I fell pregnant as he became incredibly abusive and then violent. He assaulted me multiple times when I was pregnant and threatened to remove our child from me. I never reported it to the police as I did not want to lose my child. I had pre-natal depression (which he claimed made me unfit as a mother) and every medical issue caused by pregnancy in the book. I was admittedly difficult and emotional. I later discovered he had been having an affair which led to our relationship only deteriorating further. He left me multiple times during the pregnancy, and after only to return - until he finally left to move in with his mistress. He then took me to court to get residence on the basis I was mentally unstable/unfit. I did not disclose his abuse or seek to make it relevant to contact. Unfortunately, the police became involved 6 months later as he assaulted me during a contact handover, leading to social services getting involved and my being forced to disclose his abuse ( the social worker told me I could lose my child if I failed to disclose abuse and it put her at risk). Long story short, the court gave me residence and him minimal contact. I thought it would all end. I was wrong.

I never wanted our child to know any of this information so have always told her that we mutually agreed to separate as we did not love each other anymore. She knew nothing of the horrific things her Father did, nor of his continued abuse towards me as I did not fell this was information she needed or should have. I have always wanted her to form her own relationship with her Father, on her own terms, based on her own experience.

The abuse towards me has continued in the form of harassment, further legal action, accusations of alienation, manipulating our child & emotionally abusing our child. Our child has been in counselling for years at the request of various professionals to help her cope with her Father's behaviour towards her.

Last night, out of the blue, my daughter (now a teenager) began to question me regards the past - how we split up, her Father's involvement in my pregnancy, her birth etc. Her questions were very specific and blunt - among other things she asked me if he every hurt me and if he left me and if he was still nasty to me. I tried to evade the questions but she was determined to get an answer out of me. She told me to not lie to her and that she had a right to know the truth as she put it. I could not persuade her to drop it and the more I wouldn't answer her questions, the more she persisted. I did not want to lie to her, so answered truthfully giving the absolute minimum information I could.

I am in shock and absolutely petrified. My ex husband has been attempting to have our child removed from my care for 6 years on the basis of my ''alienating'' him and finished the last round of legal involvement only 6 months ago. The court and social workers involved have until now dismissed his claims I am alienating him but I am now petrified that having answered these questions I will be seen to have alienated him.

Does anyone have any experience of situations like this and how the court or social services would respond?

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Purplewithred · 21/11/2021 10:29

I don't have an experience like this so this is a kind of bump for you.

From what I can see your daughter is growing up. She knows what her dad is like and will have put 2 and 2 together. You were right to tell her the minimum truth - if it's on record then it's not alienation, it's just the truth. She may confront him and he may kick off but the courts/SS have already seen he's harassing you and have dismissed his claims. Do you have a social worker you can talk to about how to handle this?

happytoday73 · 21/11/2021 10:34

Also not got experience.. But I agree with previous poster... She is joining the dots and its clearly important that she trusts you so you must tell the truth... Without going into the horrible detail.

A big hug for you...

MrsBertBibby · 21/11/2021 10:49

How is her relationship with him? What is he like to her?

She needs to make sense of her world, it's like there's a huge puzzle piece missing, and she's beginning to see the distortions that causes.

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:05

Thank you everyone.

@MrsBertBibby their relationship is strained, and difficult. He is often unkind, and at times sends her abusive messages. The strain stems from the fact he has always wanted her to live with him and she will not agree to do so, not matter what he says or does. For example, he refuses to speak to her if she won't agree to spend more time with him. I agree she needs to make sense of her world, but it has always felt that no good would come of her having this knowledge. It changes nothing.. I cannot understand why she asked, she has not previously ever asked anything like this.

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Luredbyapomegranate · 21/11/2021 11:08

@happytoday73

Also not got experience.. But I agree with previous poster... She is joining the dots and its clearly important that she trusts you so you must tell the truth... Without going into the horrible detail.

A big hug for you...

Yes I’d agree. Hopefully someone will be along with proper experience and advice, but I think it’s important to be truthful in an age-appropriate way - not all the details, but clarity that yes, he was abusive to you.
Double3xposure · 21/11/2021 11:10

You’ve made a mistake lying to her for her whole life. I know this came from a good place, you only wanted to protect her.

Ideally you would have told her the truth before now, but you can’t change the past. So please be honest with her in an age appropriate way. And tell her the reasons why you have lied to her - she needs to know this.

Accept that she will be angry with you for a while, she needs time to deal with all this new information about her own life.

She will no doubt lash out at you, because you are there and your love her so it’s safe for her to do so. But she will come round in time.

Nomoreusernames1244 · 21/11/2021 11:10

Fuck that.

Two choices imo.

Approach ss and ask them how to manage this. Say she is asking and you want to disclose the abuse but are scared he will use this to take you to court for alienation. Then they know up front the circs and will walk you through it.

Or speak to her counsellor/therapist and get them on board.

Actually, third option. Sit her down, lay it all out, then say she has to make her own mind up, but if she never wants to see him again you will absolutely support that. Move across the country to get away from the fucker if you have to.

If she’s a teen, ss/court whoever will listen to her. She can tell them what she wants and why.

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:11

I felt in an impossible situation. If I lied to her, the trust between us would be broken but in telling her the truth I shattered any hope she had that her Father was different to how she perceives him to be. My heart is breaking for the poor child.

@Purplewithred I don't have a social worker at the moment, they only got involved when he last went to court to change contact given his claims I am alienating her from her etc.

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Double3xposure · 21/11/2021 11:13

I have always wanted her to form her own relationship with her Father, on her own terms, based on her own experience

I realise that this might be the correct answer to say to social workers and the courts.

But inside your head and heart you need to think about why you want your daughter to have a relationship with a violent abusers.

Double3xposure · 21/11/2021 11:16

I felt in an impossible situation. If I lied to her, the trust between us would be broken but in telling her the truth I shattered any hope she had that her Father was different to how she perceives him to be. My heart is breaking for the poor child

But what you actually did was under one her own feelings and perceptions

“ Hey mum I think dad is a horrible man who treats everyone badly “

“ Oh no darling DD he’s a lovely man who loves you and has always treated me well. So your own feelings must be wrong . You need to stop trusting your own feelings and listen to my reassurances even when they fly in the face of your lived experience “

Steelesauce · 21/11/2021 11:17

Tell her the truth. My kids are still fairly young but I've been open and honest the entire time. 'Your Daddy can't see you anymore as he has done a bad thing. When you are older, I will show you what you need to see but right now, I am keeping you safe as you are my whole world and I love you'. Theyve accepted it. And I have a folder full of police and social services reports for when they ask me, just like your daughter has.

The truth is not alienation and this is what social services advised me. The reports they sent, once the kids are old enough, are theirs to read. They even sent me additional information for this sole purpose, I had to apply for the information and give the reason, they had no issues sending it to me.

Double3xposure · 21/11/2021 11:17

Sorry undermine

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:18

@Double3xposure & @Nomoreusernames1244

I accept I lied by omission. She does not remember it as she was too young but I maintain a child should not be exposed to abuse and I did not see that any good would come of her knowing her Father was a violent man. I am not able to say out loud the things he did to me and I do not feel a child would be in any way equipped to hear such things. I said he did hurt me but declined to give any details. She seems to have accepted that for now.

She wanted specifics on the timeline, how many times he left, what support he gave me after he left, if he was having an affair when we were still married etc. I've answered truthfully with minimal detail. She did say she was angry I told her we mutually separated, and all I could do was say that she was very young and I didn't want blame to come into it - just for her to be able to have a relationship with both her parents.

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Iliketeaagain · 21/11/2021 11:18

@Ineedanapxx

Thank you everyone.

@MrsBertBibby their relationship is strained, and difficult. He is often unkind, and at times sends her abusive messages. The strain stems from the fact he has always wanted her to live with him and she will not agree to do so, not matter what he says or does. For example, he refuses to speak to her if she won't agree to spend more time with him. I agree she needs to make sense of her world, but it has always felt that no good would come of her having this knowledge. It changes nothing.. I cannot understand why she asked, she has not previously ever asked anything like this.

This stood out to me - he sends her abusive messages if she doesn't want to spend more time with him.. if anything, social services need to be involved to protect her from that. I wonder if she would be willing to share those messages with social services / a counsellor to help her manage that.

I think she's probably seeing the abusive messages towards her and joining the dots - seeing how he can behave towards her, and working out that he probably did similar towards you when you were together.

You don't need to do anything to alienate him, he's doing all that by himself with his behaviour towards her.

NOTANUM · 21/11/2021 11:19

I think she is starting to see that he’s the problem and that his wish for her to live with him is a control issue, not a sign of love. She’s actual asking you for validation of her emerging new viewpoint so I would discuss the abuse and coercive nature of your prior relationship with her. No court forces a teen to engage with a parent that they don’t want to see. I would take your lead from her as you have rightly done.

FreeBritnee · 21/11/2021 11:19

The truth is important here. He’s starting to try and manipulate and gaslight her and she is recognising this and coming to you for guidance. If you had lied and said he was a good man she would now doubt her spider senses.

Santaischeckinglists · 21/11/2021 11:20

She is too old for a court to force her to live with such a twat anyway.. Be honest with her. She needs that from at least one parent.

Motnight · 21/11/2021 11:22

Your dd is already being abused by her father. She has the right to know that this is what he does, and worse. It sounds as though she is ready to make her own decisions about continuing her relationship with him, and she deserves the truth.

Lunde · 21/11/2021 11:22

I think that the time has come to tell her the truth. Otherwise the risk is that she will internalize and think that she is to blame for her father's abuse if you let her continue to believe that he has only ever been abusive to her

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:23

@Double3xposure I hear what you're saying and I agree - I have never said her Dad is a lovely man who treated me well. Never. I have taken a completely neutral stance towards him. When he's treated her badly I've called it out as what it is. I've validated her every feeling in that regard - always. I just didn't feel it necessary to make it about what he did to me.

The fact is the court knew what he was and gave him access anyway. I had no proof of what he did to me as I never called the police - the only report that exists if from a public assault after we separated. He's not allowed to collect our child from my home so there's been no opportunity for violence since. The ongoing contact wasn't my choice, I've had to live with it and so has she. She's had to suffer at his hand (not physically but emotionally). I've tried to make the best of it. Had the courts refused him access, I would have taken a different stance.

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titchy · 21/11/2021 11:24

It changes nothing.. I cannot understand why she asked, she has not previously ever asked anything like this.

It changes everything for her. On one level she has probably been thinking he's nasty to her because she deserves it. And she is questioning whether in fact that it true. And finding out that no it's not. He's nasty to her because he's a nasty fuck, not because she has done wrong.

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:27

@Iliketeaagain sadly social services are aware yet its not hitting the ''threshold'' to stop him seeing her. They've told her it's up to her to define her relationship with him on her terms. She's starting to do that but it's very difficult for her as he has quite a hold on her (hard to explain). She tells me she talks to her counselor about it and has shown them the messages.

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PleaseGoDontGoAgain · 21/11/2021 11:29

You have lied to her for years and she wants the truth now. But you want to continue lying? putting her at risk of falling for his abuse.

Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:29

@NOTANUM

I think she is starting to see that he’s the problem and that his wish for her to live with him is a control issue, not a sign of love. She’s actual asking you for validation of her emerging new viewpoint so I would discuss the abuse and coercive nature of your prior relationship with her. No court forces a teen to engage with a parent that they don’t want to see. I would take your lead from her as you have rightly done.
Thank you. I'm struggling with how to best navigate this discussion with her but agree it's control / coercion. I've never explicitly said to her that no one can force her to see him, and it's true to say she feels forced owing to the court order. She's very explicit that the day she turns 16 a lot is going to change.
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Ineedanapxx · 21/11/2021 11:31

@PleaseGoDontGoAgain

You have lied to her for years and she wants the truth now. But you want to continue lying? putting her at risk of falling for his abuse.
Please read my OP - I answered her questions honestly, I just stopped short of describing the violence.
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