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Bully Grandparents

41 replies

a202 · 12/12/2020 13:05

Hi All,
I'm hoping someone can give some advice, or has perhaps been in a similar situation.

My partner and I have a 5 year old son and are expecting a second, we live together and have a happy relationship. We are resident in Scotland.

Shortly before our son was born, we moved close to my parents as we assumed that this would provide a healthy environment. Shortly after the birth, my parents wanted an "access" arrangement where they went out once a week.

We accomodated this, however noticed that my mothers behavour towards our son was cold and distant, and that on occasions she would not turn up and leave my father to take him out. This distance continued for a year, including no shows to birthdays as they "were not her thing".

We attempted to speak to her and ask if there was anything we could do to help/change, however she did not take this well and cut contact for a year.

During this time we attempted to gain answers from my father, who refused to discuss unless our son was in the room, or gave vague answers such as "he will forget her".

We received emails from my mother with quite spiteful content, and agreed with my father that he could continue the arrangement as long as he did not take our son to their home as we were concerned about the mental health of my mother.

We recevied photos on a Whatsapp group that showed that he had taken our son multiple times to their home, and were quickly deleted. On Christmas day, my father showed up at our home demanding to take our son to their house - we refused and stated we would not be seperated as a family.

During Coronavirus lockdown, we advised "pause" contact as video calls were upsetting our son as he was asking for "granny", who refused to speak to him. My fathers behaviour became erratic, showing up to our home unannounced and demanding to be let in.

At this point we started recieving solicitors letters demanding a regular access arrangement to be setup on a certain date and time. We refused and suggested mediation via our solicitor and clarifiication as to who would attend - the letters are in my fathers name only.

Two months past, and we received a further letter stating that only my father would attend, and if we did not, he would take us to court.

We arranged mediation, however received a letter again stating that the date was not soon enough, and we should contact a private mediator arranged by his solictor, with the first session paid by my father - to which we refused and stated that we will continue with the arrangement.

The mediator cancelled the appointment, and asked to rearrange. We could not attend the alternative mediation date suggested as we have midwife appointments, and suggested a date in Jan 2021.

We received a further letter stating that if an access arrangement is not agreed by 25th Dec, he would start court proceedings.

At this point we could give in and agree, but we feel that is not in the best interests of our son - there has been no attempt at providing a sensible explaination of the absense of grandmother or going forward explaining why his parents are estranged from his grandparents. As demonstrated on Christmas day my father wants to create a seperate environment.

We have sought legal advice, but wondered if anyone else has gone through a similar experience.

OP posts:
doggytalk121 · 12/12/2020 13:09

I've not gone through similar, but sympathize with you.
They don't have a leg to stand on as have no legal rights to 'access' at all.
Personally I would move further away if I could as they sound bat shit crazy!!

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 12/12/2020 13:11

Let him waste his money.
Block the nasty fucker today...

FelicityPike · 12/12/2020 13:13

Sadly with you making an arrangement with them so very early in your sons life and for such regular contact, you have allowed them to have set a precedent.
This gives them a much stronger footing to be awarded contact via the courts.
I would strongly advise moving far, far away!

TheMandalorian · 12/12/2020 13:14

This is all very odd. They have no rights at all if you are in England. I would ignore all letters and drastically reduce contact with both. Father and mother both sound unhinged. I would not allow any unsupervised contact. You may decide to explore therapy for yourself to deal with this on a personal level.
Why did your father want your baby all to himself anyway? Why did he not want to see you too?

FelicityPike · 12/12/2020 13:14

BTW why the actual fuck would you have agreed to your parents having your child to themselves just after they were born?
I mean what were you thinking?
(Sorry but that’s not normal),

DimidDavilby · 12/12/2020 13:15

Why would you entertain this nonsense? Block, ignore, move far away. Let him waste his money in court.

Smallsteps88 · 12/12/2020 13:18

They do have a leg to stand on I’m afraid. Whilst they don’t have a legal right to access, because the child has had regular contact with the grandfather at least until covid it could be deemed in the child’s interests to maintain this relationship. I was taken to court by my DCs paternal grandparents and they were granted contact on that basis despite my child being a lot younger (under 18 months old) and having had no contact with them for 6 months at the point they started solicitor proceedings.

Smallsteps88 · 12/12/2020 13:19

@FelicityPike

BTW why the actual fuck would you have agreed to your parents having your child to themselves just after they were born? I mean what were you thinking? (Sorry but that’s not normal),
Agree with this. It’s a very odd set up from the start. Why was it so odd?
Smallsteps88 · 12/12/2020 13:20

I would also move away too tbh.

PegLegTrev · 12/12/2020 13:21

This sounds like complete drivel. Just ignore them.

MrsDeadlock · 12/12/2020 13:21

Your father has no legal basis for taking you to court surely?

You and your DH need to grow a spine between you and get a grip.

Block the pair of them and go absolutely no contact. If your dad turns up making threats, call the police.

This is abuse. Plain and simple

MusicWithRocksIn1t · 12/12/2020 13:34

If you can move i would. Sounds a very odd situation.

CodenameVillanelle · 12/12/2020 13:41

Move away for goodness sake

AlwaysCheddar · 12/12/2020 13:42

I would be pleased with court intervention as they are nuts.

Coyoacan · 12/12/2020 13:48

I'm so sorry, OP, that these are your parents. Did they change or was your mother cold with you?

WhySoSensitive · 12/12/2020 13:51

What. The hell.

Go no contact, block and ignore. They have no (or very very little) legal standing to contact. Have briefly looked into it as MIL threatened us with similar and she had no standing for contact - however we had never made any informal ‘arrangements’ either.

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 12/12/2020 14:05

I found this op.
If they have had unsupervised contact regularly that can apply themselves... Seek legal advice and nip this in the bud ASAP...

Bully Grandparents
RedMarauder · 12/12/2020 14:17

Unfortunately you have now given your father access to your son so your father can go to Court and argue for it to continue.

Get legal advice asap. You may be advised to head of his legal action by letting him see your son weekly as you agreed.

In regards to anymore children refuse to allow any family member regular access to them to prevent this happening. Simply use the excuse the child is too young and then too sickly to ensure contact is random.

80sColourfulChristmas · 12/12/2020 14:23

Your OP is very 'business like' considering you're talking about your own parents.... What is the backstory? You talk about them and them having 'access' very similar to how a divorced MNetter would talk about their ex spouse?? What has happened prior to you having your son, that has caused you to dislike them so much?

BlueThistles · 12/12/2020 16:56

@RedMarauder

Unfortunately you have now given your father access to your son so your father can go to Court and argue for it to continue.

Get legal advice asap. You may be advised to head of his legal action by letting him see your son weekly as you agreed.

In regards to anymore children refuse to allow any family member regular access to them to prevent this happening. Simply use the excuse the child is too young and then too sickly to ensure contact is random.

I agree.... even the wording of the original agreement has been designed to entrap you into giving contact.

get legal representation asap, and make the courts aware that your Mother is not well and your Father is ignoring the best interests of your child by continuing to take the child into your Mothers home. You have to fight now.

good luck OP

HolyBuckets · 12/12/2020 17:09

Your parents are abusive. I'd stop all contact with my children and call their bluff, tell them you're willing to attend court.

GintyMcGinty · 12/12/2020 17:10

A Sheriff or Childrens Panel will only make a contact order if it's in the best interests of the child.

From what you've said it's not in your child's best interests.

Let them try to take you to court. You've got nothing to worry about it.

a202 · 12/12/2020 17:48

Hi Everyone
Thanks for the replies, to answer some of the messages on here..

@FelicityPike @Smallsteps88 I ask myself this, and regret ever doing so. Main concern was providing a supporting family environment for our children.

@Coyoacan Cold to everyone. They are odd people, who I don't have much in common with.

@80sColourfulChristmas Access is their wording not ours, I agree they are acting like they are parents. There were no issues really before my son was born, I wasn't a large part of their lives. If i could put my finger on it I'd say my mother is jealous.

@BlueThistles @Santaisironingwrappingpaper I have legal representation but my solicitor said "sounds reasonable, should I agree to access"

@GintyMcGinty My worry is that I don't how how seriously the courts would take our opinion over the sob story they'll get from the other party. I guess the fact that we are united as parents speaks a fair bit.

OP posts:
forrestgreen · 12/12/2020 17:52

I'd be asking around for a better solicitor. I'd be talking about their mental health and their inconsistent behaviour.

Nymeriastark1 · 12/12/2020 18:01

"Cold to everyone. They are odd people, who I don't have much in common with."

So why did you move closer to them in the first place?

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