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Bully Grandparents

41 replies

a202 · 12/12/2020 13:05

Hi All,
I'm hoping someone can give some advice, or has perhaps been in a similar situation.

My partner and I have a 5 year old son and are expecting a second, we live together and have a happy relationship. We are resident in Scotland.

Shortly before our son was born, we moved close to my parents as we assumed that this would provide a healthy environment. Shortly after the birth, my parents wanted an "access" arrangement where they went out once a week.

We accomodated this, however noticed that my mothers behavour towards our son was cold and distant, and that on occasions she would not turn up and leave my father to take him out. This distance continued for a year, including no shows to birthdays as they "were not her thing".

We attempted to speak to her and ask if there was anything we could do to help/change, however she did not take this well and cut contact for a year.

During this time we attempted to gain answers from my father, who refused to discuss unless our son was in the room, or gave vague answers such as "he will forget her".

We received emails from my mother with quite spiteful content, and agreed with my father that he could continue the arrangement as long as he did not take our son to their home as we were concerned about the mental health of my mother.

We recevied photos on a Whatsapp group that showed that he had taken our son multiple times to their home, and were quickly deleted. On Christmas day, my father showed up at our home demanding to take our son to their house - we refused and stated we would not be seperated as a family.

During Coronavirus lockdown, we advised "pause" contact as video calls were upsetting our son as he was asking for "granny", who refused to speak to him. My fathers behaviour became erratic, showing up to our home unannounced and demanding to be let in.

At this point we started recieving solicitors letters demanding a regular access arrangement to be setup on a certain date and time. We refused and suggested mediation via our solicitor and clarifiication as to who would attend - the letters are in my fathers name only.

Two months past, and we received a further letter stating that only my father would attend, and if we did not, he would take us to court.

We arranged mediation, however received a letter again stating that the date was not soon enough, and we should contact a private mediator arranged by his solictor, with the first session paid by my father - to which we refused and stated that we will continue with the arrangement.

The mediator cancelled the appointment, and asked to rearrange. We could not attend the alternative mediation date suggested as we have midwife appointments, and suggested a date in Jan 2021.

We received a further letter stating that if an access arrangement is not agreed by 25th Dec, he would start court proceedings.

At this point we could give in and agree, but we feel that is not in the best interests of our son - there has been no attempt at providing a sensible explaination of the absense of grandmother or going forward explaining why his parents are estranged from his grandparents. As demonstrated on Christmas day my father wants to create a seperate environment.

We have sought legal advice, but wondered if anyone else has gone through a similar experience.

OP posts:
babbi · 12/12/2020 18:02

OP .. I’m in Scotland too ...read @GintyMcGinty ( fantastic username btw) .
She is spot on .. no Sheriff would award access in these circumstances.
Block your father and forget seeing a solicitor for now .
Wait it out and do not be bullied by your parents .
Although there is legislation for grandparents to see grandchildren in Scotland it’s not commonly used .
Only in cases where it is good for the children . That’s rarely the case in dispute situations.

alexdgr8 · 12/12/2020 18:04

but why did you let them take your child out, away from you at the beginning. that's the bit i don't understand. most GPs want visits to/from parents for the purpose of GPs getting to know GC. unless you needed child-minding, why take the child out.

babbi · 12/12/2020 18:11

PS .. regarding “Court Proceedings “
From someone in the know .😉
Pandemic in progress ... court time strictly limited etc .. only really essential cases .. criminal (serious ) child welfare etc making the cut to be presented ..

Trust me your father has not got a hope of getting that before a Sheriff before 2022 if ever .... I would say never ....
His lawyer however will be happy to consult with him and send out various letters , he has a living to make after all !!
Pop them in a little folder and look forward to your new baby .
Good luck and enjoy your little family

KinseyWinsey · 12/12/2020 18:19

What nutters.

Move. Run. Flee.

They sound horrendous and I wouldn't let any dc near them.

BlueThistles · 13/12/2020 03:51

Do NOT agree to contact OP... stop this now 🌺

BethlehemIsInTier1 · 13/12/2020 04:12

Your parents are idiots, let him waste his money taking you to court, there is no law in the land that he can get to force this, and his legal team know this. Just stop pandering to him, stop the mediation and block them before they damage your son.

MelissaD10 · 13/12/2020 23:38

To everyone saying this will go no where in court they have no rights etc.. that’s not entirely accurate.
As someone who has been taken to court over this in the uk I would advise you get a solicitor and agree to no arrangements which could further jeopardise a potential court battle.

BlueThistles · 14/12/2020 21:03

Let it go to court... they will not win. 🌺

MelissaD10 · 14/12/2020 22:56

@BlueThistles

Let it go to court... they will not win. 🌺
Why do you say this @BlueThistles ? There is contact that has been ongoing for 4 years (from what I understand from the op) an established relationship with the grandfather at least. There has been regular unsupervised contact as agreed by the parents. They may not “win” as in getting everything there way but as our solicitor advised the courts very rarely wish to “close the door” on contact.
Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 15/12/2020 08:22

Over the past few years I have seen a few mners say they have to facilitate contact between batshit ils and their dc - court ordered. Seek legal advice ASAP. Your ds has known unsupervised contact with them from very young. That will go in their favour. Their mh however may go in yours.. Start getting organised.. Write a timeline of visits /ds's behaviour post visit /texts /inappropriate emails etc. Build a case provisionally. When you see a solicitor you will forget so much. Highlight important bits. I would give this some head space unless legally told otherwise...

Thehouseofmarvels · 24/12/2020 21:10

For the people on this thread who have said grandparents can get contact I have a question. Fiances mother has a reputation for being quick to go to court and has spent a lot of time taking her sister to court over an inheritance dispute. Her 'golden child' daughter married an incredibly wealthy man who pays for it all. She is very abusive and toxic. She has also treated other family members badly. Partner is very low contact. We are planning to start a family and it is a concern that if partner denies her contract she could go to court. Would it make a difference in our case if she had never met the grand child?

BluebellsGreenbells · 24/12/2020 21:19

In your case I would leave your DP name off the birth certificate and she won’t have a leg to stand on! Give the child your name

OP this sounds like a really awful satiation and I really feel for you the worry abs agree must be awful.

Is your father likely to give up? Are they involved in something weird?

Haggertyjane · 24/12/2020 21:29

Move house and save yourself money and aggro

CoraPirbright · 26/12/2020 17:32

All sounds really strange! Have you kept the emails you mention from your mother with the spiteful content? Def keep them for future use. I am sure that will weaken your father’s case especially in view of the fact that you asked your father not to take your son into her orbit during visits and he did.

ElsieMc · 01/01/2021 11:49

I am a grandparent carer and the children were placed with me through the courts sadly. But one of the childrens' paternal grandparents wanted contact. It was only stopped following their son's attack on me. But I had agreed contact for a year as well. It was a difficult decision because I just wanted to do the right thing, but in legal terms it was a big mistake because I had established contact.

Op, your parents sound really strange. I bet you regret moving to be near them. I would be worried about your dm's behaviour. It is all about what she wants rather than what is best for the child.

They and their solicitor are trying to push you into agreeing the contact they want. You do not have to do this. I would see how things go in the new year. They will have to wait for a court date. I understand there is no Cafcass in Scotland but I am sure your concerns will be looked into by an independent practitioner for the court. It is always best to avoid court but I completely understand your concerns here.

MelissaD10 · 08/01/2021 16:19

Think it just depends what judge you get and what behaviour of grandparent is like and how you can prove that it’s not in the child’s best interest to have contact.
The grandparents hadn’t met our children but the case still got leave of the court to be heard

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