Grandparents rights

[katem454]

Hey, just wondering what rights a grandparent would have if their son wasn't on the birth certificate and thr mother was saying he wasn't the father. I know legally the father in question could do something legally but what about his family?

Apologies, just seen this is posted in Legal. That was not a legal point of view. Just a ‘decent human being’ Point of view.

Why would you refuse to see the baby when she offered you the chance, just because it wasn't on your terms? You don't have the right to time alone with someone's newborn and you can't be that bothered about the baby if you didn't visit when you were given the opportunity.

I think taking a new baby away from it's mother for 2 hours would be distressing for both of them, and definitely not in the child's best interest. That has nothing to do with the breakdown of your sons relationship, even within a close family it would be inappropriate.

Courts are highly unlikely to grant it, even farthers (non alcoholic/druggie ones) would be expected to visit with the mother present at that age because the needs of the child trump the wants of the adult

It does seem unnecessary to jump straight to legal threats when she has already offered contact. It doesn't bode well for you maintaining a decent relationship with the woman who is the main carer of your grandkids and is pretty short sighted of you IMO.

might be better to see the baby with her, build some bridges so to speak, you might get on with her ok, make an effort and at least you've tried - nice of her to extend the olive branch really, not sure what the whole story is, is she really that bad?

The OP's attitude in regards to taking a newborn baby away from its mother who may potentially be breastfeeding is exactly why grandparents should not be given any rights and the laws should not change.
OP that is what you want.
The mother is what your grandchild needs.
Stop being selfish

Law in support of gp works fine in France. We're pretty behind with it all as a country really. You know gp are actually pretty good for children on the whole

Your best bet is to try and support your DS in straightening himself out, and also attempting to forge a civil relationship with his ex if that's in any way possible.

Read @karyatide’s post over and over op

You don’t really get to decide how you spend your time with other people’s children!

If the mother says you can see her children then you do it on her terms.

I can’t believe you would feel happy to take a new baby who has no idea who you are away from its mother just so you can have it on your own. Are you 8?? It isn’t a toy.

My ex’s mother and I have a great relationship (now). We didn’t speak for years after my ex and I split up. It happened through a slow build up of contact and trust. She sees my DC fortnightly and any other time she asks if they’re free. She also helped me with childcare when I was working longer hours. One very important factor is that neither of us mention my ex to the other. She doesn’t get involved in his relationship with our DC or me. And I don’t complain to her about how shit a father her son is.

put yourself in the mothers position. she has allowed you contact with your grand daughter. your son seemingly uses class A drugs, alcohol and has racially abused a 9 year, all caught on camera.
i would personally think social services might have a view if she allowed you to disappear off with a newborn unsupervised.

We don't get on at all so it's best I see my grandkids with my son. I will try mediation first then apply for a coury order if that fails. At the moment my son and her are not really talking and he has no idea what day her c section is or the name! How will I go about this for my order? Also my son is at the crown court on Tuesday for abh but he didn't do it so I'm confident he'll walk away. I just want to see my grandchildren with my son. Surely its not a crime. I don't like her and vice versa

Your son sounds lovely op

Take off your rose tinted specs and things might start to go better for you.

Putting a new mother through mediation and court despite her already offering reasonable contract is pretty grim.

Errr glad your not my ex’s mum. This is all about you .

Your Ds sounds like a waste of space dad. I suspect she doesn’t a alcoholic, drug taking criminal having contact with her children . Good for her I say.

I wonder why you don’t get on don’t get your own way threaten her with court . Attending mediation was a nightmare for me with a 4 year old in nursery . You are just creating more problems .

I was told at mediation contact with the dad is sorted out first and then contact should be within his time .

You seen to be ignoring all the points raised about how traumatic been away from mum is for a newborn (Hint - that wont look good to family court), but OK lest move on

Sorry if this seems harsh but it doesn't sound like your son is safe to be around children. If your grandchildren's mother can prove even half of whats on this thread (alcoholic / Drug addict / racially abused a child / attempted to physically assault a child / ABH Charge?) then she will have strong grounds to prevent contact with him.

The fact that you intend to see them with him present, and don't seem to appreciate the threat he poses to them will then be used as a (quite reasonable) argument that they are not safe in your care, as you will not safeguard them from there farther.

Has this new baby even been born yet ? 'He doesn't even know what day her c-section is'

I think you have a long long road ahead and before you see this baby. No Judge is going to grant 2 hrs a fortnight to a new born.

Omg! Keep well away, you didn't do a good job raising your own son. Stay away from this innocent baby. You sound like my babys grandmother, you've no rights, it's not your child, leave them alone!!!

Is this a wind up?

How dare you even think of putting this woman through the stress and expense of legal action. She’s a far better mother than you, not that that’s an especially high bar to clear really.

So, you've managed to raise a violent, racially abusive, drug taking son, about whose behaviour you seem to be in denial of, yet you expect this woman to include you in her children's lives? Because your involvement is clearly a benefit to those kids? All you will do is minimise what an arse their dad is and undermine their mother.
I suggest you concentrate on sorting out your son - he's your responsibility, not someone else's children.
People like you are the reason gps should not have assumed rights.

You sound just the sort to demand that she brings the baby to see you, at times that suit you.

I hope she succeeds in keeping you at bay for as long as possible.

Grandparents have no legal rights.

The only time a court would even consider a grandparents application for visiting with the DC would be if there was evidence of an ongoing close, beneficial relationship between the DC and the grandparents, the court would then look at whether the DC would benefit from that relationship continuing.

Since the youngest isn’t even born and the oldest is only two I don’t think you have much hope of your application being considered.
Especially since your son sounds like an abusive addict.

Maybe you should focus your energy on parenting your son to try to help him become a better person and maybe one day he will be allowed access to the children which you can then enjoy.

it's best I see my grandkids with my son.

My children wouldn’t be going near anyone who had racially abused one of my children and certainly wouldn’t be seeing a grandparent who planned to let the abusive parent have contact.

Let’s hope your son gets convicted and the children’s mother can get a restraining order or something in place. He is a violent, abusive addict. He should be nowhere near children. You should be ashamed of him.

Keep going the way you are and maybe she’ll get a harassment order against you too. I know I would. Hope she has good people around her who can help her access the right support to protect her children.