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what can I do about this unsuitable environment for the children?

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unicornspooprainbows · 10/11/2015 11:46

ex has children EOW for 2 nights. We divorced 2.5 years ago, at first he was in a long term relationship and from what I could gather she seemed like a nice lady, treated my children well and the environment was secure and nurturing for the children when they visited. However since he has split with her 6 months ago, there have been a string of women coming and going whom he is introducing to the children after a couple of weeks of meeting them. Whilst I have an issue with this alone, far more serious still is the fact that the children have been subject to (IMO) neglect from their dad, and they have witnessed things of a sexual nature that they really shouldn't have seen at their age (8,10)
To summarise
1)DD saw her dad wanking over webcam/skype call with his girlfriend (I walked in to the bedroom and daddy had the computer infront of him and he was kneeling on the bed with his winky in his hand) (during the day!!)
2)DS walked in on dad having sex with another girlfriend. He did not check he was ok, as would have been normal, he shouted at him to 'GET OUT' and carried on, DS said he heard them carrying on grunting and making sex noises in the adjoining room.
3) Both children were left in the swimming pool on holiday on their own, 'daddy stayed inside because he wouldn't go in the pool unless it was 25degrees or over'. DD said she went in to the villa a couple of times and he was watching videos of people having sex.
4) They woke up one morning to a strange woman in his bed, they had never seen her before, never seen her since.
5)They are sent out to play on the street while he 'entertains' lady friends in his flat. I have told them the dangers of being unsupervised on the street and they refuse to go out alone anymore, despite his encouragement.
6)He regularly hits them, as a form of discipline, clips around the head are most common.
7)I understand he has moved to a new flat, a 1 bedroomed place. He intends to have 2 single sofa beds in the kitchen diner/living room for them to sleep on during contact every other Friday and Saturday night. Is this suitable, shouldn't they be expected to have their own room for privacy at their ages?
8) DS very upset on return from contact last weekend. Said his dad doesn't pay him any attention, he is 'too busy texting, phoning women to have sex with'. We discussed ways he could try to use to bond more with his dad.

I just find it so sad, I want them to have a good relationship with their dad, but its like trudging through water. I've tried broaching the subject and he either denies it, says the children are lying, or finds some way to punish me for calling him up on his behaviour, he refused to return their passports back when I asked him not to let children play unsupervised on the street.

My friend, who is a child protection officer has said that letting them into this environment is unhealthy and a judge may well question why did I allow them to enter into this harmful environment. But I just don't know what to do, I don't want them not to have contact with their dad but I hate them being subjected to this.

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cestlavielife · 19/11/2015 21:58

It is a no brainer. Just Stop contact

Get advice from school cp officer.

No contact but offer to meet with a mediator to set things out.

cestlavielife · 19/11/2015 21:59

If this was a teacher or a paid childminder then no way would you send them to their care right ? Being their dad doesn't mean you let standards slip .there is no court order soyou not breaching anything

wowfudge · 19/11/2015 23:53

His response demonstrates he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. How likely do you think it is he will change his behaviour?

Please don't let them go.

Noregrets78 · 25/11/2015 17:52

Agree with others - he has not admitted anything is wrong, so you have no assurance at all that anything will change. Thinking that he's considering things behind the scenes is over generous. More likely he will be getting the DCs to keep secrets next, which in my experience is hugely damaging.
You have everything you need to legitimately stop contact. You've set out the issues, and he's not responded appropriately.
For me the situation went on for over a year (although diff circumstances), and looking back I see that I was so scared of his reactions, and of not doing all I could to preserve their relationship. Now I just wish I'd sorted it sooner and minimised the damage to DD.

Hissy · 25/11/2015 22:43

You should have ceased contact on POINT 1 op. Seriously!

You can not allow contact with a man like this, your children are being abused an neglected by this man and you continue to present for contact. Enough.

He is abusive, you know this. The LEAST amount of contact the better. Get legal framework in place to protect your Dc before the authorities step in and do so for you. You're sleepwalking here, time to wake up.

You can do this, he's weak, that's why he has to abuse to feel good about himself. Be the one parent they can grow and learn with.

NewLife4Me · 25/11/2015 22:48

After the first incident my kids wouldn't have been back and I'd have informed ss.
Listen to your friend and act now, those poor kids should not have seen anything like this at their age.
It's not your fault of course. Now you know though it will be your fault you didn't act on that information.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 16:01

So I spoke to my solicitor today, she said not to stop contact because kids were not in danger of being killed Hmm . She will be writing him a stern letter stipulating some stern conditions, so we shall see what comes of this. When I Hmmed about them in no danger of imminent death, she needed to read all my notes and -speak to her colleagues- 'get her head around it'

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unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 16:02

damn hyphen not underscore!

she needed to speak to her colleagues 'get her head around it'

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unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 16:03

I give up! You know I was trying to strike through!! Confused

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Hissy · 30/11/2015 16:09

Ask her if she'd care to send her own kids to contact where porn is being shown to them?

Where sex is openly taking place in front of them?

Stop contact for the reasons you have stated and tell him to take you to court.

Instruct your solicitor to inform him that until he can guarantee that there will be no sexual activity/porn or violent behaviour toward them that any contact between him and them will need to be supervised by a suitable adult - suggest a contact centre.

Or he can take you to court and it'll all come out. If your solicitor refuses, go and find one that will.

Speak to nspcc again, call womans aid, and go and see your Doctor and get this logged.

School child protection officer may be a good bet too. Build evidence.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 17:03

I think because it was going on behind closed doors and he was being 'caught' rather than doing it right in front of them, she's less worried. But the fact that he still thinks thats ok to do is a worry to me. I'll see what she says in her letter I let her read all the details and see what she makes of it she was shocked but didn't think I should stop contact, because it would look bad on me, and these were historical events (over the past 2 years). I told her I'd actually told her predecessor about the Webcam thing at the time, and she didn't act on it at all, brushed it off Hmm. Do you think a court would agree to a contact centre Hissy?

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Keeptrudging · 30/11/2015 18:07

This has been going on for 2 years? It's unfortunate that the children haven't spoken about it at school/put it in their weekend news stories, as school would certainly have acted on it/contacted SS.

That's often a good way of gauging the appropriateness of things, (should you find it tricky) - would you be happy if they talked/wrote about it at school? I agree with PP, all that will happen now is he'll make them keep secrets and you won't know what's happening. I personally would stop contact, hell would freeze over before my children went back.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 18:28

Keeptrudging they are completely embarrassed of their dad, I think there is little chance of them putting anything in school new stories (although the teachers would certainly have had a bit of a shock if they did). It was quite telling the other day when DS(8) had to do an 'all about me' page for school, did a paragraph and picture for me and DD and then casually said "Do you think I should put daddy in this?" I said "well he is your dad" to which he pondered and said "nah, I'm not going to"

My children I know would never keep secrets from me, I have taught them that if an adult asks you to keep secrets (unless its a gift or nice surprise) that is the very time you must tell someone. I'm so proud of our relationship, the way they tell me everything, and off load literally the minute they walk through the door on a bad contact weekend. I've kept them completely in the loop and told them how things are at the moment and if anything uncomfortable or weird happens again then they must tell me immediately (email from tablet/ipod if necessary ) and I'll be over in a heartbeat to collect them. They are happy with this, and DD10 has decided once she's old enough, she'll tell him she doesn't want to go anymore anyway.

Its difficult - its healthy for them to have a relationship with their dad, but he needs to be a dad, not a sex obsessed pervert (at least on contact weekends!)

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Snossidge · 30/11/2015 18:37

If I were you I would start getting the children's allegations noted down somewhere - speak to the family support worker at school, get their advice. If the children explain what has happened to someone else then when you stop contact you'll have to evidence to say why.

To be honest I'd also phone social services for some advice.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 18:52

Thanks Snoss, I've emailed him and he's responded denying it all Hmm. And today I've emailed the solicitor with my log of everything, and his quite frankly pathetic responses. I'll also look into speaking to the family support worker at school for advice, thats a good idea thank you.

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gallicgirl · 30/11/2015 18:57

What's healthy about their relationship with their dad? I would hit the roof if this happened to my kids. I really think you need to stop contact and ensure suitable conditions are met. THIS IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR!
Quite frankly, it doesn't sound like your kids want a relationship with their dad anyway. Let him prove he's up to the job of being a ddecent parent.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 19:07

Totally agree with you gallic this is definitely not normal. I am trying to get his assurance that this will not keep going on. Let's see what solicitors letter has to offer. The courts apparently to not look favourably on mums who cease contact if they are not in immenint danger is what I've been told today Hmm. Yes I agree to getting him to prove he's a good parent, but just not sure how he can, given the circumstances.

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gallicgirl · 30/11/2015 20:52

I appreciate it's difficult but you're almost second-guessing everyone else's actions to the detriment of your kids' well-being.

I know of someone who recently stopped access to her ex for less. The dad's partner was a little rough with her own kid which was reported to school. Social services got involved and the mum prevented access due to concerns she had and social services backed up her decision. Access is now limited and not overnight. Difficult to give many more details without outing myself/mum but I kind of want you to see that the situation is perhaps more serious than you give it credit and that there could be consequences.

Maybe a phone call to social services to discuss your concerns would be helpful? I think any stress caused to your kids by talking to SS is far less than the distress caused to them by their dad.

unicornspooprainbows · 30/11/2015 21:10

Thanks Gallic that is really helpful and gives me a good insight. I can't understand why the solicitor was the only person I've spoken to throughput who said not to stop contact, and her predecessor dismissed the Web Cam issue like it wasn't a big problem. I just hope this isn't indicative of how a judge/court would view it if I did cease contact and then I'm made out to be the bad one for stopping the children from seeing their dad. I hear wholeheartedly what you are saying however and will cease contact unless strict conditions are put in place, ie no overnights, girlfriends, porn and smacking.

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Keeptrudging · 30/11/2015 21:55

I think you've been unlucky with solicitor advising that it didn't matter. I think SS would take a very dim view of his behaviour (as would most adults).

I think it's sad that a father/adult needs to have it spelled out to him how to behave like a responsible human being for the short time he has with them. Am hoping you get some help with negotiating this situation, that's good that your children are open with you.

Noregrets78 · 01/12/2015 08:45

Definitely worth speaking to Social Services too. I found them to be immensely helpful in making me see what was, and was not acceptable, when I had conflicting views from all sides.

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gallicgirl · 01/12/2015 09:23

I hope it works out for you Unicorn. I don't want to sound like I'm attacking you because I truly do appreciate how difficult your situation is but as an outsider it's easy to see the problem and how to act.

Best wishes.

unicornspooprainbows · 01/12/2015 10:27

Thanks gallic and everyone else. When I spoke to the advisor at NSPCC, they did advise that the most that SS would do in this instance is enrol XH on a 'parenting programme' and then once he had completed this he would be able to resume contact. To get to this point the children would need to be interviewed and questioned as would he. If I can get him to agree to my stipulations via my solicitor then the outcome is similar, except the children are not put in the position of having to be interviewed, which I'd like to avoid if possible. If he can't agree to the conditions I will have to go down the SS route, however.

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Keeptrudging · 01/12/2015 11:01

Surely it would be good if the children were interviewed, it would be done very sensitively and is a real chance for them to put their views/experiences across and have them documented. Also, having to do a parenting course would probably be good for your ex (as he is clearly an idiot) and would mean he had to demonstrate a level of commitment to it. You also would be removed from it, so not in the role of setting down rules/policing it.