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Help. Arrested for shoplifting and driving without a license

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selboy01 · 31/08/2015 15:34

Im in need of some help. I stupidly shoplifted form asda, goods where over £100 and the police where called. And in the process they found out i had drove there without a license. I have never shoplifted before and the driving was a one off as im due to sit my test in couple of weeks.
I got took to the police station and was held in a cell for a couple of hours then got fingerprints took etc, they never questioned me though. They then told me my details would be sent to the procurator fiscal and that was it?
Now i have no idea what will happen next, what punishment ill get and im terrified.
I have never been in trouble before. Can anyone shed any light on what i should expect, will i need to go to court, what will happen etc.
Im a mother of 2 small kids and can not bare to think ill go to prison for me being completely stupid this one time.
many thanks

OP posts:
CheekyMaleekey · 31/08/2015 18:06

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, OP.

At least most of us can walk into shops with our heads held high, and sleep well at night.

Gingermakesmesick · 31/08/2015 18:06

If it helps, OP, both my parents smoked. Not heavily but they did.

The were very concerned I would smoke and repeatedly told me they had made a mistake, they couldn't give up, they were very ashamed of themselves, they knew it wasn't very nice but they were addicted.

I didn't think any the less of them for it, I just accepted they'd made a mistake and didn't make the same one - have never smoked.

Sometimes, kids learn from our mistakes as well as our achievements. Or, as my fridge magnet says, 'if you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning' Grin

SoupDragon · 31/08/2015 18:08

I'm always surprised that people join MN for this sort of thing.

Gingermakesmesick · 31/08/2015 18:09

Just for you, cheeky Hmm

Help. Arrested for shoplifting and driving without a license
HermioneWeasley · 31/08/2015 18:09

Ginger, your insistence on defending the OP (who committed at least 3 criminal offences if we believe it's the first time) is as incomprehensible as Cheeky's glee.

Personally, I'm glad she's been caught and I'm disappointed there's no way to stop her driving dangerously again. Because it's sheer luck that she didn't hurt someone on her 2 journeys.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/08/2015 18:10

The thing that matters most to me is this, selboy - is this the last time you will drive uninsured and without a licence? I believe you will say yes - I really hope so - and you'll mean it.

HermioneWeasley · 31/08/2015 18:11

But smoking isn't against the law

We have all made mistakes - we haven't all committed crimes or driven without a licence (endangering everyone on the road)

LIZS · 31/08/2015 18:12

Well the police wouldn't have let her drive back home , would they ? Hmm Presumably dh had to get out of his sick bed to collect it and the shopping.

Wankarella · 31/08/2015 18:14

Oh I didn't realise it was a first post.

XCChamps · 31/08/2015 18:16

Oh bugger, really Wankarella?

Gingermakesmesick · 31/08/2015 18:16

I'm defending her against some nasty spite hermione (not yours incidentally.)

Nasty is what it is; nasty and spiteful.

You may feel it's incomprehensible; I don't

Gingermakesmesick · 31/08/2015 18:17

Report if you think it's not real!

CheekyMaleekey · 31/08/2015 18:53

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Greenlandrover · 31/08/2015 18:54

Don't want to hijack but thought I'd give some first hand experience of how shoplifting shouldn't be considered a victimless crime.

Whilst I was sat waiting for the police in the store security officer's room, I remember the shop assistant who'd 'busted' me looking utterly distraught and horrified. I couldn't understand why she looked so angry, so I asked her. She rightly spoke to me like I was something she'd stepped in, then explained that they get dozens of shoplifters weekly (this was a big department store) and that I was disgusting, and why didn't I think of other people like her before I did it.

The security officer then explained that this particular store doesn't 'absorb' losses from their profits, any losses are taken out of the staff's bonuses, because their lack of vigilance contributes to losses apparently. So she was angry she was losing her Christmas bonus.

So the poster who said she steals occasionally because 'the company can afford it' is very wrong.

As for publishing shoplifting Mums in the school newsletter or local press as a deterrent...it won't work. People shoplift for different reasons and many are professionals so really don't care, it's their source of income, and they're proud of their reputation.

Mine was a one-off and I think I wanted to be caught. If the policewomen hadn't recognised me through my recent DV call outs, perhaps the arresting officer wouldn't have believed my explanation about why I did it being connected to that, that I wanted to be arrested, I felt invisible, I wanted to escape from everything and even being in a cell or prison was preferable to me at that time in my life.

I went back to the store a few days later and tried to apologise to the shopgirl and security officer, but she didn't believe a word I was saying of course. I expect they've heard all sorts of excuses before.

As for OP, your claims about living a 'normal, happy life' don't correlate.
You mean to say you got in that car with a sense of exciting, dangerous frisson knowing you were breaking the law?
Or did you get in it all blasé thinking, 'Pah. So what. I'm not insured. I'm being illegal. So what'.
Because neither of those are the actions of a 'normal, happy person'. 'Normal' law abiding citizens would be terrified of getting caught in an uninsured car, and terrified of being caught shoplifting.
Whatever's behind your apathy means there's more to this story and that kind of apathy, and getting away with it lightly as you surely will if this is a first offence, means you will do it again. That's how regular shoplifting starts.

What does your husband think? ...

LineyReborn · 31/08/2015 18:59

Greenlandrover, I genuinely don't understand how there was a loss if she caught you? Surely the store retrieved the item from you?

Greenlandrover · 31/08/2015 19:08

Liney, I don't think she was really considering that small detail, it was the fact she considered me just another in a long line of shoplifters who all contributed to her losing her Christmas bonus, that's all.

GrasshopperNchipmunk · 31/08/2015 19:10

Ahhh man, this thread is horrible.

Couple of points:

  1. If the OP got caught, there was no loss to the store. Hopefully getting caught will deter any future stealing.
  2. Just because OP doesn't have a licence doesn't actually mean she is an unsafe driver..... So all this 'danger to everyone on the road' is abit errrr dramatic. Incidentally I know a fair few people who do have a licence who are really crap drivers!!
  3. Some people on this thread are hysterical.
  4. Honestly, I doubt anyone will care if OPs name is in the paper....
LineyReborn · 31/08/2015 19:10

Ah, ok, thanks. Where I live btw the Civil Recovery Scheme is much publicised.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 31/08/2015 19:14

OP - here is some information from the crown office (ie the PF) about alternatives to prosecution - here

In non-custodial cases (ie yours - you've not been remanded), the police are meant to send a report to the PF within 4 weeks.

As I said up thread, the PF will consider the evidence and decide what crimes (if any) have been committed. They will then assess whether it is in the public interest to prosecute. In making that drcusiob, they can consider any facts and circumstances particular to you.

As I said, I would strongly suggest you get a lawyer ASAP - as I said you maybe entitled to legal aid. The lawyer can help you by writing to the PF with representations on your behalf for them to consider when deciding what course of action to take

I don't think you'll get any more useful, practical advice on this thread so I would focus on sorting out a lawyer

JustOneMinuteAtATime · 31/08/2015 19:14

So did you do a weekly shop and then conceal the cartridged in addition, or did you give up on the weekly shop and just steal the cartridges? How much was the shop, if you did one?

It'll make a difference to how this is perceived.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/08/2015 19:18

Grasshopper - the OP may or may not be a perfectly safe driver - but driving without a licence means she definitely did not have insurance, and had she had an accident, that could have had major repercussions for anyone else involved.

We could trust everyone's judgement about their driving abilities, but I prefer to rely on the driving test.

GrasshopperNchipmunk · 31/08/2015 19:23

STD - I'm well aware of the libabilties of driving without a licence and am not advocating for doing so at all! OP was v silly for doing so.

I was merely pointing out that it doesn't necessarily make the OP a dangerous driver as some posters were keen to do...

AgentProvocateur · 31/08/2015 19:27

OP, along with Gobbolino, I posted much earlier with a bit of practical advice. Can I emphasise that if you do get a fine and community service, you must pay the fine within the courts timescales. Cornton Vale is full of women who have been jailed for not paying court fines.

Northernlurker · 31/08/2015 19:32

Don't be daft grasshopper - driving without a licence means you have to be assumed to be a dangerous driver because you haven't passed the test to determine whether you can drive without risk to yourself or others. No pass, no assessed ability to drive safely.

Regarding shoplifting in general - my mum had a shop. Every thing that was nicked was pounds lost from our family income. It is a horrible feeling to look at a shelf, see a gap and know you haven't sold the item that was there. On one occasion I confronted a shoplifter. I was terrified but there was no way I would have let it go unchallenged once I was aware of it. It is NOT a victimless crime and nobody should try and pretend it is.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 31/08/2015 19:48

Yes - very good point, agent re: the fine. That has to be priority

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