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How to deal with fall out over bodge job

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wowfudge · 17/08/2015 22:28

This is going to be long - sorry. Just had our bathroom re-done. Plumber/fitter had done work for three friends. Agreed price verbally and paid a chunk of money for materials. He said when he gave a price that would be the price we would pay. Hit problem on day two when we didn't want to have a false ceiling fitted and stuck to our guns - had already said we didn't want it and painted ceiling prior to work commencing. Seemed that was to avoid him having to cut tiles to fit ceiling curves. Anyway all sorted and some plastering had to be done instead.

We asked him to take one wall back to brick because he started plaster boarding to square it up and it took a ridiculous amount off an already small room. There had been no consultation on this btw and he knew space between bath and shower was already tight.

Anyway, very last job was fitting skirting boards. Piece by the door jutted out by about 1cm. He took a chunk off the door instead of asking what we would like done/trimming the skirting board down properly from the back, which presumably needs a circular saw which I suspect he doesn't have. Waited over a week for it to be fixed except he hasn't fixed it - it's now a different bodge although the door has been repaired. I said how disappointed I was when everything else is looking fantastic and that what he'd done wasn't what we discussed.

Was told he'd done all he was going do on this job. He said he'd bent to my every whim (!) and he wasn't doing anymore. He'd send me his bill and he hung up on me.

He's now texted me a list of additional charges - including for items I thought were included in his quote such as tiling window recesses when fully tiling the room. There were things he was definitely reluctant to do - anything that involved cutting tiles it seemed - but we worked things out and it was amiable. Or so I thought. No mention of any extra charges at all.

He has texted I won't get my keys back until I've paid him. To say I feel threatened is an understatement. I've changed the alarm code, but he knows I'm on my own during the week which is worrying. I feel this is intimidation.

DP has totally backed everything I've thought as the job progressed and we have got what we wanted apart from this bit of bloody skirting. We were going to give him one last chance to put the skirting right or say we were going to deduct the cost of fixing it properly from the balance due to him. But he texted extra charges before I had the opportunity. Now I feel I am dealing with a bully who didn't like being asked to do what the customer wanted instead of what made life easy for him.

I can't get hold of DP, but I guess we can deduct the cost of changing locks from the bill if he holds onto the key. Think I'd want to change them anyway now.

What the hell can we do?

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PurpleWithRed · 17/08/2015 22:35

Oh dear, no written quote? You are going to have to negotiate. And this time put everything in writing. And change the locks.

wowfudge · 17/08/2015 22:53

Yep - well I do have what was the balance in the text before the additional unmentioned charges were added. I'm not going to be bullied though. He's not charging me for the work done today - that's a laugh seeing as it was his bodge he was supposed to be correcting.

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cdtaylornats · 18/08/2015 10:13

First of all I would tell him you intend to call the police if your keys are not returned immediately.

wowfudge · 18/08/2015 10:20

Yes, that's a good idea. I haven't responded yet. Am gobsmacked that someone thinks this is acceptable behaviour. As DP said, he underestimated how long the job would take and is taking it out on me.

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/08/2015 10:24

I wouldn't text that text it makes you sound a bit ridiculous to be honest. Say that you and your DH would like to discuss and resolve things with him this evening. Ask him to come over to do that and return the keys at the same time.

Make sure you are both there so you are both witnesses to the conversation. Listen to what the additional charges are and ask him to explain exactly why they were incurred and also why You should pay when he didn't bring them up in advance. Also discuss resolving the bodged etc, if possible.

Tell him you will consider what he has said and be in touch. Say you're disappointed about what has happened and you want to resolve matters as you are generally pleased with his work and would like to be able to recommend him to others - word of mouth recommendations are very important in that line of work.

Once he's gone, make a detailed note of what was said.

Then decide what you are going to do and make your payment. I might be minded to agree a few of the smaller additional charges (if they seem reasonable) but off set them against the cost of sorting out the bodge - by someone else if you are no longer confident in him.

The key thing is to have everything written down now and to appear as reasonable as possible in case this goes to the small claims court

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/08/2015 10:25

And I agree - don't pay anything for sorting out the bodge.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/08/2015 10:28

Sorry - just seen that your DP is away. Is there anyone who could come over whilst you speak him tonight? If not, ask him to post the keys through your letter box today and say you want to set up a meeting for when your DP is back.

then of you get anymore weird texts, you can contact the police without actually giving him notice that you are going to.

wowfudge · 18/08/2015 12:49

Gobbolino don't text what text? Where have I said I was going to text him? I've said I haven't responded yet. I certainly wouldn't forewarn him I was going to the police - that's a step I would only take if things deteriorated further anyway.

DP said he doesn't want him back in the house now he has said 1) he isn't going to do any more work and 2) we won't get the keys back until we pay him the increased amount. I hardly slept last night. His behaviour is such a turn around I was worried he has the front door keys even though I've changed the alarm code.

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wowfudge · 18/08/2015 13:10

God I'm tired - having a meeting is an idea. Just not sure if that's the right course of action. Obviously would rather resolve things amicably, but he seems to have put paid to that.

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/08/2015 14:08

Sorry - the text about the police that cd suggested. I think it will just wind everything up at the moment.

He's acting like a total dick but small claims are a total ball ache plus I do think that it would be good to set your position out very clearly now. Understand that you might not want to meet but I would do it by email (with copy sent by recorded delivery) - it's an easier record to print off etc if needs be than texts.

wowfudge · 18/08/2015 14:31

He doesn't do email - this was established early on. It's all texts and phone calls. He lives upstairs from some friends of mine in the same flats though so I could write to him.

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CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 18/08/2015 14:33

Agree - you can't sink to his level but rise above and be the reasonable person. No text threatening the police.

Agree also it sounds as if the job was more work than he estimated, which of course is not your fault.

SoupDragon · 18/08/2015 14:34

The first thing I would do is to change the lock. Right now. If it's a Yale type lock it's easy to change the barrel and fairly inexpensive.

tribpot · 18/08/2015 14:44

Agreed, priority one if you're there on your own is to change the locks. I'm assuming you can't secure the property from the inside, e.g. dead bolt or something?

I don't think the risk that he will let himself in is very high, this threat has been made to intimidate you into paying. It would be a massive escalation for him to turn up at night but it's an unacceptable risk.

I think you do need to meet with him (with your DP) and agree the list of charges you will and won't pay. Reiterate that his verbal quote included the words 'this is the price you will pay', no additional charges were agreed. I wouldn't want him in the house either but your place is the most sensible one to hold the discussion, because then if there is a dispute over any item you have the bathroom to hand to go and look at.

I would only communicate with him in writing outside this meeting, though - if he doesn't do email, so be it. You can pretend like it's 1990 and do it all by post.

What's more worrying is that he didn't really sound like he knew what he was doing. Can you get the side off the bath to check everything looks alright? I've seen some crap bodge jobs done behind the panel where they thought no-one would see until it was too late.

Katie2001 · 18/08/2015 14:47

One small point - as the keys were handed over voluntarily, it's not a police matter if they are not returned.

wowfudge · 18/08/2015 17:19

If I request the return of the keys though and they are not forthcoming? We have an alarm which I will put on when I am in the house too and I can dead bolt the door from inside. DP is going to change the locks at the weekend. I agree it's unlikely he'll turn up, but he has succeeded in scaring me although it won't make me pay him.

We saw everything before the bath panel was put on and it was all functioning fine - this was over about a week before the flooring was fitted (by someone else) and the panel installed.

I think I am going to have to ask DP to deal with things - that pisses me off because I've handled everything so far, but I really never want to speak again to a man who thinks he can intimidate a woman in this way.

Over the weeks I have found that he never responded to texts he didn't want to deal with; there were about 3 and I was never confrontational in the slightest - I think this was PA as anything else he was back to me in seconds.

I want to forewarn my friends without involving them - not sure they will quite believe how things have turned out.

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Katie2001 · 19/08/2015 16:01

Unfortunately, as I've found out recently, you can ask as many times as you like for the keys but the police won't get involved if he won't hand them over. Good idea re changing the locks. All sounds like a nightmare, hope you resolve it soon.

wowfudge · 19/08/2015 23:31

I feel less worried about things now. Spoke with my friend earlier and let them know what's happened - I don't want them to get involved, it was more of an FYI in case anything is said or done. I was able to get the correct flat number then too so we can write to the bathroom guy.

We're going to put together a response this weekend and post it to him.

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tribpot · 20/08/2015 07:49

I hope you'll be letting all your friends know about this guy, his work and his tactics. He got the job with you via word of mouth - make sure he doesn't get any more!

wowfudge · 20/08/2015 09:22

Well, funny you should say that tribpot but I was going to recommend him to our neighbours who have been talking about having their bathroom done. That ain't going to happen now.

I just don't get how someone thinks they can levy a load of extra charges at the end of a job having failed to mention them at all as things were progressing.

Anyway...

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tribpot · 20/08/2015 12:45

Well, a person who doesn't provide a written quote, basically. I think he wanted to do it 'time and materials' and you wanted it fixed price. He verbally offered you fixed price and then billed you as T&M.

Guiltypleasures001 · 20/08/2015 12:52

If he's dealing only by text and phone then he might not be paying tax , so that's your next call op me thinks, obviously give him a chance to back down when you mention this. You want the bill in writing also or an invoice.

That's why he's being a shit I'll guess

wowfudge · 20/08/2015 14:07

That has also crossed my mind. He threw away the bills for some bits and pieces he bought from a builders' merchant near us because I found all sorts in the wrong recycling bins and put them in the correct ones. He'll be hard pressed to present any evidence of his costs.

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tribpot · 20/08/2015 14:11

I think I'd missed that - he still hasn't given you a written invoice? Bugger that.

wowfudge · 23/08/2015 20:11

Right - really busy weekend and DP and I were composing a letter to the guy when I received a second text asking for payment as he needs the money.

So, have texted back stating I believed his quote was for all the work and now he's asking for extra money we haven't agreed. Pointed out disappointment that job not finished, put the phone down on me, has kept keys so we've had to change locks. Have said will pay original amount agreed as full and final settlement and await response. I am on edge now with my heart racing! Hate confrontation and a bit scared now DP has left for work.

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