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Mumsnet could do better (part trois)

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EllaDisenchanted · 20/05/2024 07:20

Hello all, decompression thread 3️⃣

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stomachamelon · 05/06/2024 19:47

@79Helene I could not agree with that more.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 05/06/2024 19:51

Just had a real life 'debate' with acquaintances in the pub. They didn't know we were Jewish. We couldn't keep quiet in the face of their BS. One male academic that got really aggressive / unpleasant trying to make me concede that it's a genocide. What the fuck is wrong with people! Why does it feel like I'm surrounded by sneaking regarders at best & outright Jew haters at worst!? They don't want to understand.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:02

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 05/06/2024 19:51

Just had a real life 'debate' with acquaintances in the pub. They didn't know we were Jewish. We couldn't keep quiet in the face of their BS. One male academic that got really aggressive / unpleasant trying to make me concede that it's a genocide. What the fuck is wrong with people! Why does it feel like I'm surrounded by sneaking regarders at best & outright Jew haters at worst!? They don't want to understand.

I'm sorry you experienced that. It's so, so difficult.

But you're right, they really don't want to understand because they already "know". It's sheer arrogance.

RivkahRose · 05/06/2024 20:11

👏👏👏 to you @Humdingerydoo for your responses on the other thread! No surprise that the other posters won’t accept anything, most ironically the marches being intimidating to Muslims in the ME but not the marches being intimidating to Jews over here 🙄

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:17

Thanks @RivkahRose. Think I'm going to have to step away soon though. It's honestly just too much. Appropriating words and redefining them and then putting words in my mouth. Telling me I am lying about my true opinions when I'm quite literally begging them to start believing Jews. They're just blind to it all. Blinded by hate.

RivkahRose · 05/06/2024 20:44

@Humdingerydoo I have seen on A LOT of threads posters redefining anti-semitism, “Palestinians are semitics/ Jews aren’t the only semitics” along the lines of that and it makes me so angry

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 20:57

Yup, it's pretty disturbing.

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 05/06/2024 21:05

Thank you @Humdingerydoo & thanks for speaking up on the other thread.

I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in speaking out.

They take pleasure in the distress they cause.

That's why my personal policy until recently was: don't engage, get hate speech deleted where you see it. And don't tell people you're Jewish in real life.

79Helene · 05/06/2024 21:11

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 05/06/2024 21:05

Thank you @Humdingerydoo & thanks for speaking up on the other thread.

I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in speaking out.

They take pleasure in the distress they cause.

That's why my personal policy until recently was: don't engage, get hate speech deleted where you see it. And don't tell people you're Jewish in real life.

They take pleasure in the distress they cause.

With the exception of some who I believe are genuinely motivated by concern over what's happening in Gaza, there's too many posters who clearly get out of bed in the morning salivating at the thought of spending their day arguing with Jews on here and pontificating about what is and isn't antisemitism. They've been doing it since October religiously. It's not normal.

And yes, @Humdingerydoo am in awe at your strength over there.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 21:12

DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 05/06/2024 21:05

Thank you @Humdingerydoo & thanks for speaking up on the other thread.

I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in speaking out.

They take pleasure in the distress they cause.

That's why my personal policy until recently was: don't engage, get hate speech deleted where you see it. And don't tell people you're Jewish in real life.

It's so sad that you don't feel you can tell people you're Jewish. I'm sorry.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 21:23

I need a brain break. Has anyone watched UK, US and Aussie The Traitors? I've only recently watched the UK one and absolutely loved it! Which one should I go for next or are they all a bit samey?

Comedycook · 05/06/2024 21:30

If anyone is worried their blood pressure is too low, I suggest a wander over to aibu for the Israel thread!

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 21:47

Oh FFS I've had another name change fail on your lovely AIBU thread @Comedycook 😂 I'm running out of new usernames to use on non-Israel related topics

79Helene · 05/06/2024 22:00

Comedycook · 05/06/2024 21:30

If anyone is worried their blood pressure is too low, I suggest a wander over to aibu for the Israel thread!

Only 3 pages in and we have the 'educate yourself with Illan Pappe and Avi Shlaim' on the bingo card already!

DownNative · 05/06/2024 22:32

That AIBU thread is mad. I mean, thinking kids study the Palestinian-Israeli conflict for GCSEs means they're well informed(!) 🤦‍♂️

I don't know a single teen in Northern Ireland who studies that for GCSEs and Scotland doesn't have GCSEs. And I doubt England & Wales even has it at GCSE unless one of you know?

If it starts in the 1940s, then it's skewed and incomplete as WW1 was also critical to understanding how partition came to be. Late 19th Century is also an important part of the story.

Young people see footage online via social media, but they're not experienced enough to detect propaganda from Hamas/Iran much to Khamenai's amusement recently!

They also aren't familiar with International Humanitarian Law.

In short, a lot of people don't really know how to correctly assess the footage they're seeing. They've a lot of gaps in their knowledge which shows when they start trying to create a false equivalence with other conflicts, terrorist groups and so on.

But that's what happens when people lack very important pieces of information. The message the last nearly 10 years telling people that how they feel about something emotionally equates to the truth and that NOBODY has the right to question it has been very damaging.

Absolutely Prime conditions for rogue States such as China, Russia and Iran to exploit the West with. They're pushing at an open door with that kind of thought process.

It doesn't help that the Western powers have been steadily declining for decades now, especially the United States whose floating pier sums up Biden's administration in addition to their chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan we all saw.

That gave Putin absolute confidence to invade Ukraine as he knew NATO wouldn't actually lift a finger. After all, he took Crimea in 2014!

It's important to Israel that the West remains strong, especially militarily.

Most people in the West have not had to live with military confrontations or terrorist attacks on any large scale. I think the West has forgotten how to win a war. We've not won one since 1991 Gulf War in the conventional sense. And terrorist groups have since massively evolved from the 20th Century forms of an insurgency to cell structure and are now much more like a small to medium sized army. Hamas certainly is and, I think, Hezbollah.

That should give you some clues as to why the United States loves to lord it up when it comes to the Belfast Agreement. They've had a LOT of military failures since 1991. But the Troubles was a pretty minor conflict, definitely not a war and PIRA/UVF were never on the scale or capabilities as Hamas and Hezbollah.

Ugh.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 23:05

DownNative · 05/06/2024 22:32

That AIBU thread is mad. I mean, thinking kids study the Palestinian-Israeli conflict for GCSEs means they're well informed(!) 🤦‍♂️

I don't know a single teen in Northern Ireland who studies that for GCSEs and Scotland doesn't have GCSEs. And I doubt England & Wales even has it at GCSE unless one of you know?

If it starts in the 1940s, then it's skewed and incomplete as WW1 was also critical to understanding how partition came to be. Late 19th Century is also an important part of the story.

Young people see footage online via social media, but they're not experienced enough to detect propaganda from Hamas/Iran much to Khamenai's amusement recently!

They also aren't familiar with International Humanitarian Law.

In short, a lot of people don't really know how to correctly assess the footage they're seeing. They've a lot of gaps in their knowledge which shows when they start trying to create a false equivalence with other conflicts, terrorist groups and so on.

But that's what happens when people lack very important pieces of information. The message the last nearly 10 years telling people that how they feel about something emotionally equates to the truth and that NOBODY has the right to question it has been very damaging.

Absolutely Prime conditions for rogue States such as China, Russia and Iran to exploit the West with. They're pushing at an open door with that kind of thought process.

It doesn't help that the Western powers have been steadily declining for decades now, especially the United States whose floating pier sums up Biden's administration in addition to their chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan we all saw.

That gave Putin absolute confidence to invade Ukraine as he knew NATO wouldn't actually lift a finger. After all, he took Crimea in 2014!

It's important to Israel that the West remains strong, especially militarily.

Most people in the West have not had to live with military confrontations or terrorist attacks on any large scale. I think the West has forgotten how to win a war. We've not won one since 1991 Gulf War in the conventional sense. And terrorist groups have since massively evolved from the 20th Century forms of an insurgency to cell structure and are now much more like a small to medium sized army. Hamas certainly is and, I think, Hezbollah.

That should give you some clues as to why the United States loves to lord it up when it comes to the Belfast Agreement. They've had a LOT of military failures since 1991. But the Troubles was a pretty minor conflict, definitely not a war and PIRA/UVF were never on the scale or capabilities as Hamas and Hezbollah.

Ugh.

I particularly enjoy it when people say basically "they can see the pictures, and pictures tell a thousand words" a few days after 47 million idiots people shared an AI generated image

quantumbutterfly · 05/06/2024 23:19

It was the GCSE comment that made me leave.

I have an o level in biology, trust me I can do brain surgery.

Humdingerydoo · 05/06/2024 23:27

quantumbutterfly · 05/06/2024 23:19

It was the GCSE comment that made me leave.

I have an o level in biology, trust me I can do brain surgery.

Oh, if you left at that point you'll have missed the white colonialist remarks. Shame. I know how much you enjoy those.

0palfruitsalad74 · 06/06/2024 08:13

Can definitely confirm that Israel /Palestine is not on my English DC's GCSE History syllabus! That AIBU thread is the first I heard that some kids study it. My sense is that most schools go for the obvious (the rise of Hitler being one...you'd think.that might give pause for thought).But being able to answer a 16 mark question on a GCSE paper...well, it's a statement of the bleeding obvious that that does not make you any sort of expert.

Don't they say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing? I'd say that a term studying one topic at GCSE topped off with endless garbage on TikTok is indeed a dangerous thing.

quantumbutterfly · 06/06/2024 08:32

'Enjoy' is such a strong word.

I knew about the anti Israel feeling among people I worked with, I'm not blind or stupid but many of the people I've known have ancient prejudices by influence. Chinese people can have strong feelings about Japan (as do many Brits who remember the treatment of pow's). Sikhs displaced from what is now Pakistan can have strong feelings about Muslims. Ukrainians haven't trusted Russia since the USSR and are even more hacked off now, the Polish & Finnish feel somewhat the same.

Once they become not only tolerated (tearing down child victims posters) but encouraged (inflammatory placards, rhetoric and behaviour) the hate goes unchallenged and we're in trouble.

My friends who escaped war and conflict, are pretty scathing about people who choose to reignite those conflicts in the uk, those who tend to attract sjw's (clutching their GCSE certificates) who have no concept of the horror some people have escaped.

DownNative · 06/06/2024 08:44

0palfruitsalad74 · 06/06/2024 08:13

Can definitely confirm that Israel /Palestine is not on my English DC's GCSE History syllabus! That AIBU thread is the first I heard that some kids study it. My sense is that most schools go for the obvious (the rise of Hitler being one...you'd think.that might give pause for thought).But being able to answer a 16 mark question on a GCSE paper...well, it's a statement of the bleeding obvious that that does not make you any sort of expert.

Don't they say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing? I'd say that a term studying one topic at GCSE topped off with endless garbage on TikTok is indeed a dangerous thing.

Thought so!

Just checked a few exam boards for England, Wales and Northern Ireland. None teach the formation of the State Of Israel or MER history of the period.

A few 🤥 in that thread.

Scotland doesn't do GCSEs.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/06/2024 09:06

I very much doubt they study the Ottoman Empire too.

DownNative · 06/06/2024 10:00

Done!

Humdingerydoo · 06/06/2024 11:12

That thread is so funny. They're not even pretending they just want peace, they full on admit they want to get rid of Israel.

keenforhelp · 06/06/2024 12:26

Yup. I have just been accused of being aggressive when all I do is stand up for myself 😂

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