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Thinking my in laws are antisemitic and my DH needs to grow a pair

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ShirleyTemple73 · 13/12/2023 11:14

Ok so this is a long one…

I’m Jewish, DH non practicing catholic, raised by VERY strict catholic parents.

We’ve been married for 15 years, I was only 19 when we met. From day one I’ve always been clear that although im not at all religious, my Jewish culture is very important to me and I would only marry someone not Jewish if our kids were raised Jewish (not half jewish half anything else, I wanted my kids to be raised as just jewish). My husband agreed from day one, he obviously could have said no and that would have been fine- but it’s always been an important factor in the family I wanted. We now have three girls, we don’t do much jewish at home but they go to jewish summer camps, want bat mitzvah’s, we celebrate the festivals and they have strong jewish identities. They know their dad and half their family is Christian, they go to a Christian school, they celebrate Christmas with his family, but they know that they are jewish.

From day one, his family has given me weird vibes. We wanted a rabbi at our wedding - we both agreed, it was all booked, and they threw a fit. Refused to come if there was a rabbi there. My husband sided with them and I backed down, but probably should have seen this as a red flag. They’re very passive so making a big fuss was uncharacteristic.

On our wedding day, my MIL went to church first where she accidentally told my catholic uncle (clearly didn’t realise who he was) that she was devastated her son was marrying a Jew. He was shocked and told me this a few weeks later. For 15 years I’ve never mentioned this to my husband. Partly to not impact his relationship with his family. Mainly, if I’m honest, out of fear he would side with them not me.

Fast forward to today, their weird vibe towards anything jewish has continued. It’s more a discomfort on their part whenever anything Jewish comes up. One of my daughters even noticed my MIL seemed weird when she showed her her magen David necklace. SIL also has same weird vibe. It’s hard to really explain, nothing super offensive, but it’s not in my imagination. I’ve tried to ignore it.

Since 7 October I’ve felt more strongly about my Jewish identity. I’ve noticed this makes DH uncomfortable too. He could tolerate very low level Judaism, but noticing my strong connection to my Jewish identity and strong feelings about antisemitism since then, he’s not been particularly nice. When I post on social media he tells me things like he’s worried for my mental health which feels like gaslighting, my mental health is fine… Also DH is very left wing, so has said some less than understanding things about the conflict, which he’s pretty ignorant on overall. He’s also started to mention on a few occasions how unfair it is to his culture that the kids are raised Jewish. Which makes me very upset because I’ve always been clear about this - he didn’t have to marry me if he felt like this, 15 years and three kids later seems a bit late to bring it up.

His family have said nothing to me (I have family in Israel which they know) not even a happy Chanukah (which tbf they never say, it’s just bothered me more this year). Think they could have at least checked in once.

We’re all due to spend Xmas together on a 10 day long holiday. Not sure I’ll be able to keep my feelings to myself.

AIBU thinking DH and his family are antisemitic? Any suggestions on raising this with DH? Or is that totally pointless? Am I just being unreasonable in general?

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Whataretheodds · 13/12/2023 11:21

They do sound antisemitic. I think not putting your foot down about the rabbi was maybe a missed opportunity to draw your boundary, but it's done now..

You definitely need to have a conversation with your DH about this before the family holiday because ideally you go into that with a united front. I would tell him what your MIL said about her disappointment: why hide it from him now? Has he got your (and your daughters') back or not?

Shoxfordian · 13/12/2023 11:26

His family sounds antisemitic but if you're not sure he has your back then he's not right for you, how can you be married if you don't know he's on your side?

YeahIsaidit · 13/12/2023 11:29

They don't sound a little anti-semetic yeah. I'm a little confused as to how you can say you're not at all religious but insist upon raising your children as Jewish though. That is religious

muggart · 13/12/2023 11:30

I think it's fairly common for religious people to feel sad if their offspring / descendants are a different religion to them. It seems a bit hypocritical of you to label them antisemitic for this, when you openly say that you would also be upset if your children are a different religion to you.

Of course, as the mother, you get the final say and GPs certainly do not.

The DH situation is more complicated. He's allowed to change his mind and feel upset that his children were denied the opportunity to have the same religion as his. But of course it's not your fault - you set your red lines early on. How old are your DC? They'll be old enough to make up their own mind at some point anyway, at which point both your feelings on their religion will be redundant.

PurpleChrayne · 13/12/2023 11:30

That's awful.

I would be majorly distancing myself. I wouldn't want my children to have anti-Semites as close relatives.

craigth162 · 13/12/2023 11:33

You seem a bit hypocritical....not religious but insist your children are

ShirleyTemple73 · 13/12/2023 11:34

I guess this is a common misconception but Judaism isn’t a pure religion- it’s a religion, ethnicity and culture. For me it’s the culture that’s important to pass on. Appreciate that’s confusing from a non-Jewish perspective though.

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Keeva2017 · 13/12/2023 11:37

@muggart has it spot on.

Your husband is entitled to change his mind and want to introduce his children to some of his religion and culture.

Your children following your religion is a hard line but you can’t understand your mil being upset her grandchildren wouldnt have any part of her religion? Don’t get me wrong it’s not her choice but she’s allowed to be upset about it. Just like you’re upset now that your husband is changing his mind.

SwordToFlamethrower · 13/12/2023 11:38

It sounds like they're just disappointed that their son didn't marry into the same religion and over time those feelings have grown. I'm willing to bet it isn't even personal and they'd feel the same if you were a Protestant or a Muslim.

You absolutely need to be having this out with your husband, not your inlaws.

This is a marriage problem because even if your inlaws are against you because of your different faith whatever that faith might have been from the start, clearly its your husband that also has a problem with it. Maybe he wasn't serious about his religion when he met you, but over time, he has developed a strong connection to Catholicism. This can happen!

Your husband and you need a very formal talk before Christmas. Ask him exactly where his loyalties lie, where his faith lies and where you and the kids fit.

Do this before going anywhere because I have a feeling this will all come to a head at Christmas and it will be an absolute disaster.

fuckssaaaaake · 13/12/2023 11:39

His family sound like idiots BUT I feel his pain with the kids thing. I have the same issue as him. I thought I didn't mind but once the festivals come around (and I do NOT mind doing Hanukkah, Passover etc) the reality is different and I do regret saying I would raise them just Jewish. However my husband understands and we have decided to be open to all religions until they're old enough to decide as I actually think it's unfair to make a child go one way or another.

SomeCatFromJapan · 13/12/2023 11:40

@ShirleyTemple73 please please ask for this to be moved to the Jewish section, for your own mental health. You've already had a couple of vile comments.

therealcookiemonster · 13/12/2023 11:40

I think you need to take events in the middle east out of it (because it will make the conversation understandably more emotive) and have a calm chat with him about what is important to you both and how you want to balance his and your wishes. ultimately I believe children should be free to engage with culture/ religion as they wish.

I don't think it's antisemitic to wish for your child to marry into your own faith although they have not been kind. its simple manners to send holiday wishes and even more important to ask on the wellbeing of your family. could be that they don't like you very much? although that is not an excuse for rudeness.

speaking of mental health, a lot of Jewish people since October 7th have struggled with both antisemitism and the trauma of the attacks. I'm not jewish but it's totally shaken me as has the horrific aftermath and many thousands dying in gaza. it's important to recognise that distress within yourself.

FourLeggedBuckers · 13/12/2023 11:43

They do sound antisemitic, as do some of the posts on this thread. I have no idea how you navigate this going forward, but a ten day Christmas break with these people sounds dreadful.

PinkflowersWhiteBerries · 13/12/2023 11:44

Agree with @SwordToFlamethrower .

You really need to get a clear perspective on where your DH stands in this, before you join his family for a holiday, especially at Christmas which is so emotionally charged for many.

It’s important that you can articulate where you see the anti-semitism , as telling him ‘it’s a vibe’ probably won’t help him. Not saying you are wrong, but it may be hard for him to speak up against his family based on that.

reclaimmyboobs · 13/12/2023 11:44

craigth162 · 13/12/2023 11:33

You seem a bit hypocritical....not religious but insist your children are

She’s not insisting they’re religious, she’s insisting they’re Jewish. It’s cultural and about heritage as well as religion – and in any case her kids now identify as Jewish so there’s no “insistence”, it’s in her children’s hands.

OP, YANBU at all and they sound awful – the rabbi showdown alone should have had you running for the hills. Unfortunately though given the complexities of the current conflict you’re going to get a lot of shitty replies here I think, as people cannot seem to grasp that one can be both horrified by the events of 7 October and horrified by Israel’s annihilation of Gaza.

I'm sorry - it sounds as though your husband was only ever willing to accept your Judaism if he didn’t have to actively think about it or get in conflict with his parents, and he was perhaps hoping to just ignore it for a lifetime?! But now it’s front and centre, and he wants to change it. But he can’t.

YeahIsaidit · 13/12/2023 11:44

Sorry I was supposed to say that they DO

SgtJuneAckland · 13/12/2023 11:44

What are you posting online?

Also why is it ok for it to be your culture to the exclusion of his? Your children have to be entirely Jewish not half (your words), why can't it be a blend with the children embracing all of their heritage.
It probably feels like her family culture and religion is being erased to your MIL.
The Rabbi should've been the decision of you and your husband, although you say you're not religious so maybe they didn't understand why a Rabbi would be necessary, assuming he wasn't allowed to be married in a Catholic church.

I'm not religious at all so I have no skin in this game, I just think there needs to be some concession on both sides.

copiley695 · 13/12/2023 11:45

YeahIsaidit · 13/12/2023 11:29

They don't sound a little anti-semetic yeah. I'm a little confused as to how you can say you're not at all religious but insist upon raising your children as Jewish though. That is religious

It what way is saying she's sad her son is marrying a Jewish woman not anti-Semitic? And refusing to go to a Jewish wedding?

Uncooperativefingers · 13/12/2023 11:45

There is an awful lot going on in your post, that I'm not sure is helpful to conflate.

Your Dh js allowed to feel sad that his cultural and religious beliefs are given second billing for your joint children.

Your in-laws do seem antisemitic, but surely you don't think your DH is?

I don't really understand how you can separate being Jewish religiously and culturally tbh, do you mean that you don't go to synagogue, but do celebrate the religious days?

The Israel thing is also a different issue, I assume you are alluding to the fact that you sit on different sides of the conflict? I think you need to mentally separate that from the other issues, or you will go mad. I'm not going to begin to give advice on resolving that, but I don't think it's fair to include it with the issues with your DH's family.

YeahIsaidit · 13/12/2023 11:45

I mistyped and by the time I noticed I couldn't edit, I have corrected in my post further up

copiley695 · 13/12/2023 11:46

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Where has OP said this exactly?

It's sad this had to be moved. That the Jewish MN forum is the only place where she can post without (maybe) getting a bunch of horrible ant-semitic comments.

GreyBlackLove · 13/12/2023 11:46

I see your position, it sounds like an approach you both agreed is being challenged and you're getting passive aggregate vibes that are hard to confront. The comments about marrying a jew are absolutely antisemitic imo, otherwise why not say she is upset he's not marrying a Catholic woman.

I'd agree with one poster above, take the recent events out of the conversation (you can see even in the comments here those who cannot separate the Jewish experience from a national governments actions) and talk specifically about what you want for your kids and the tolerance/acceptance that includes.

That being said, he's allowed to change his mind and want his children to be exposed to some of his culture so go in looking for an open conversation.

bartbert235 · 13/12/2023 11:47

SomeCatFromJapan · 13/12/2023 11:40

@ShirleyTemple73 please please ask for this to be moved to the Jewish section, for your own mental health. You've already had a couple of vile comments.

Some slightly not understanding but I haven't seen anything "vile".