Bring Them Home (Sunday- London)

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Hope it's ok to post this..
Is anyone planning to go..

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Ones like that work in our favour to show the crap we have to put up with. Everyone else on mumsnet looks and realises how radicalised they are and that they are incapable of having a normal conversation about what is happening. It does the pro H side no favours at all. Everyone can see they only care about one sides innocent people. Sometimes good to interact with them and draw out all that in their posts.

This "colonist" thing drives me mad. Jews have 1% of the land in their ancestral home. They've colonised a total of zero places.

Whereas Christians and Muslims colonised almost the whole planet! It's such illogical reasoning.

And pulling down those posters is quite sick in the head.

It was in 2021 and is in several places in Europe and Australia now. That is why organisations behind ask them not to bring their own signs any more. Before is was all "Hitler was right, The only good Jew is a dead Jew", and stuff in Arabic that when translated rather unpleasant). Now they hand out carefully worded signs or get people to print them off at home.

The government and police keep talking about clamping down but currently just words.

I thought the same as you. Not laughing and joking about or spreading hate like lots at yesterdays. Seriouly it is all a bit of a laugh for some people it seems. Not convinced that every single person their their gave a hoot about the Palestinian civilians. Today people gathered together respectfully and showing solidarity to the hostages and pain for those lost. Totally different atmosphere.

100%
No screaming hatred and uncontrolled abuse. Just dignified, heartfelt sorrow for the hostages.
Where were they all when the Chinese were carrying out genocide against the Uyghur Muslims (and still are)? Not a peep. It was the Jews who campaigned and protested...

Yes, it's easy to forget most of the public are browsing rather than posting so the rabid frothing is laid bare for all to see. And people can make their own minds up I suppose. I started off trying to engage with them a few weeks ago but just don't have the mental energy for them anymore. Have totally lost count of all the posts I've composed and deleted because the rabid responses are just...too much. I wish a lot of the earlier threads and particularly vile posts hadn't been deleted - the ones in the immediate aftermath of October 7th before Israel had even retaliated.

This story has always stayed with me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uighur-muslims-china-concentration-camps-london-protest-embassy-a9277921.html

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Yes the first couple of days posts with people being gleefully about the pogrom. They should have keep them up. Let people read those. Then they will see what a lot of those marches on Saturday really think. It is the same thinking after all. I know some people were there because of the deaths however some were there because they think what Hamas did was wonderful. Frankly looking at that crowd personally I would say 50/50.

The current thread on the Glasgow protest is particularly bad and it's taking all my strength not to bite. There's one venomous post in particular that has floored me and just illustrates there's some people who really, really don't like Jews.

Yep, only read a few posts on the Glasgow thread but conspiracies and delusion seems to be a theme. No point trying to argue with that😕

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12659705/man-chanting-hamas-slogan-arrested-metropolitan-police.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Someone calling for "Death to Jews" on the streets of London?
These rallies are hate crimes .

I've signed the October Declaration & will write to MP. I know this isn't doing enough though...

The rally yesterday was incredible. When the minutes silence was held everyone was silent.

I loved seeing the outbreaks of Am Israel Chai at the end from groups of young people. Made my heart melt.

Gove spoke well but where is the action when we see hate on the streets from protestors.

The police were thanked by the crowd...doubt the pro palestine rally did that.
2 arrests made that were, of course, passers by - shouting hatred.

There has been a stark contrast between the two types of protest. What has emerged is a clear pattern of hate from one side, which is frankly disturbing. Can you imagine if a pro Israeli rally included chants to wipe people out, "clean" them out, or wage a Holy War? I think a line has been crossed now.

"Home Secretary Suella Braverman is currently meeting the commissioner of the force, Sir Mark Rowley, to challenge him over the decision not to arrest.
Speaking ahead of the meeting, a source close to her said "there can be no place for incitement to hatred or violence" on UK streets and police should "crackdown on anyone breaking the law".

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has also called on the government to look at "gaps in the law" so stronger action can be taken in the future."

The police have said before there hands are ties because most this stuff can't be prosecuted with in the current laws. There are gaps and a lot of these protesters know this. That is why they chose their words and signs carefully these days.

Keith is right about changes in the law needed. He should know he was a barrister and the cheif law maker or whatever. I think we should alway keep the right to protest. However some gaps around hate speeches and encouraging violence need sorting.

The government currently have to plan to change the law though. This is despite all the noises that are making and police blaming they are doing at the moment.

https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-to-challenge-met-police-chief-over-handling-of-protesters-chanting-jihad-12990723

If we are going to be far that has happened on occasion in Israel. However you are talking a couple of hundred at most. Every country/State has nutters like this. Plus a lot of these people would have had relatives hurt or killed by Hamas and seen some of the Palestinians then handing out sweets on social media. That is bond to muck up your mental state.

Ok, I stand corrected. I'm an outsider looking in. If Israelis also talk in that way, then that's inexcusable, and they're dehumanising others.
Just awful, no justification.

Yep. This stuff will happen but like I said you are talking a small number of Israelis and not the thousands of people on marches like we are seeing now.

This gaps in the law business is just an excuse. We have watched them arrest various people for misgendering or otherwise saying the wrong thing, an autistic child for saying a policewoman a lesbian, 6 police arresting Lawrence fox for saying he doesn't agree with ulez. Yet for some reason they can't arrest men calling for jihad. Do me a favour! I have zero trust in the police now and see them as the enemy. I can imagine them reading this post and coming to arrest me for some made up crime.

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ohI agree with you that there is a do what is easiest thing going on. However they can't be prosecuted it is very difficult. They will be celebrating because they got off etc.

Though I want the police to arrest the people they can charge and get a conviction on. There is an issue of the crowd turning and it becoming a riot if the crowd is too big. Unless someone is in direct danger the police will be caution because of this. Personally I think they need even more police there or the army. Then they can arrest people in safety. As much as I can't stand these signs and chants I don't like the idea of someone eles police officer son or daughter getting hurt trying to arrest someone.

The asking a Jewish charity to turn off their hostage screens. They standing aside a small crowd and not arresting if chargeable and allowing protesters to walk through train stations with these sighs. That stuff I disagree with the decisions about.

Yes well I'm sure if this was a Tommy Robinson demonstration however big it was they would be calling in the army if necessary and making arrests. And religious incitement and /or making one group feel unsafe IS a crime. Fact is the more they don't confront these people the more they endanger even more people eventually including police because it won't go away if you don't stand up to bullies (and I know that is easy forme to say from my armchair but worried about my children's generation).

The Pro-Israel rally was such a contrast -peaceful, respectful, quiet.

Sorry don't mean pro israel I know it was for the hostages.

Again I agree. Not confronting and dealing with them now will definitely cause more trouble later. They are know thinking they can get away from with this stuff. Much like with children that will lead to worse behaviour.

Yes but you were saying the law needs tightening whereas I think there are plenty of laws including public order they could have used. They just chose not to. There is no point writing yet more laws when don't enforce the ones they've got.