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Second IVF cycle, 37, low AMH, several worries…

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Lucyloulou85 · 16/09/2023 23:10

My husband and I are just about to start our second round of IVF. I’m 37 with low AMH (8) but our main issue is sperm-related (we need ICSI). Earlier this year our first fresh cycle gave us two apparently good quality embryos but the first (fresh) transfer I miscarried at 9 weeks and the second (FET) was BFN. After the heartbreaking miscarriage our clinic tested me for the full range of possible causes for miscarriage because all had looked well at our 7 weeks scan. The tests didn’t show any reason for the miscarriage. It’s devastating to think neither of our good day 5 blastocysts worked and we’re now back at the start of the IVF process.

I’m feeling nervous as we approach our next attempt which we are absolutely desperate to work after such a difficult time. I have many anxieties running through my head day and night which I really hope the mumsnet infertility hive mind can help me with! I’ll try to phrase my worries as questions:

i. Our consultant has suggested we consider PGT-A for our next round. I’ve done a lot of research and think I understand the pros and cons of PGT-A. I’m not sure whether we’re ideal candidates but I suppose the consultant is suggesting it due to me being 37 and both our embryos from our last cycle having failed in one way or another. However, as our last cycle only led to two day 5 blastocysts (from 10 eggs collected), I’m worried sick about PGT-A leading to us having nothing to transfer! The miscarriage was traumatic but I’m still leaning toward preferring to give embryos a chance rather than having nothing to transfer at all. I’d appreciate any views / experiences / opinions on PGT-A or no PGT-A …?

ii. The consultant has suggested raising my stimulation drugs to the highest dose. I like the idea of hopefully getting more eggs but could a high dose of stims compromise the quality of my eggs / future embryos? The consultant doesn’t seem keen on mild or natural IVF - they said I actually responded quite well to the last long protocol of standard IVF and they’re hopeful I’ll produce more eggs with a higher dose. Should I be worried about higher stims meaning lower quality embryos?

iii. In the past year / 18 months of building up to / going through IVF I’ve been consistently very strict with my healthy diet. No caffeine or alcohol, obviously, but also low carb, high protein (especially fish, beans, eggs and chicken), no sweet treats, masses of fruit and veg and 3L water daily. I’m taking pregnacare conception max (for methyl-folate), 1000 iu vitamin D, NAC 600mg, DHEA 75mg and Ubiquinol 600mg (on the clinic’s instruction). I was always slim and healthy before IVF but I suppose I’ve become quite obsessed with diet etc as something to control in the chaos and stress of infertility and I have lost a bit of weight in the process (I now weigh 55kg which puts my BMI at 19). My question is, should I stick with this healthy diet or could being so strict with what I eat and being at the lower end of BMI actually lower my chances of success? My clinic don’t give any advice about nutrition beyond “eat a healthy well-balanced diet” - the diet choices I’ve been making are based on my own research relating to egg quality. Should I stick with this, be less strict or is there anything else I could be doing for egg quality?

I know this is a long and rambling post because (like so many mumsnetters in the infertility group!) I’m feeling stressed, hugely knocked by the fresh miscarriage and FET failure, and desperate for IVF to work for us. I’m actually embarrassed about how long this post is! If you’re still reading and can help me with my questions / worries then I would be really grateful! Or if you can suggest anything else I should try / consider? Thank you so so much!

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MrsMotts · 16/09/2023 23:45

Hi @Lucyloulou85

I don’t know a huge amount PGT testing - but am sure others will be along with more info than me for you. Like you, we have a low egg/embryo amount so I understand the concern of sampling a potentially viable embryo and damaging it in the process! I’m 38 (will be 39 by the time I do my next cycle) and my first fresh transfer has just failed. We collected 3 eggs, 1 fertilised and made it to Day 5.
We weren’t expected to make it transfer tbh as my AMH is only 0.6 and I have a low follicle count.

I will say my consultant wanted me to ensure I wasn’t exercising too much and didn’t lose too much weight - so I’d probably allow a few treats in (for enjoyment as much as anything else - this process is tough!) Good diet and nutrition is obviously so important, but a lower weight can certainly impact. I’m about 60kg (and 5’6”) no idea what BMI that gives me though, but am trying to maintain around this weight.

we have our consultation next week to discuss our next cycle, and I’m hoping for slightly higher stims, but am also going to ask to add Lubion progesterone and clexane to try and maximise implantation success! I also had prednisolone during my cycle as I have an auto immune condition (well controlled) but knew that would give me a higher risk of NK cells. I’ve also started taking NMN to improve egg quality and I take Ovum supplements with extra CoQ10.

sending you so much love - this journey can become all consuming! ❤️

Lucyloulou85 · 17/09/2023 07:58

Thank you for your lovely and helpful reply, @MrsMotts.

I’m sorry to hear about your failed cycle but I hope you’ve taken some comfort in having produced a day 5 embryo. I’ve read some really positive success stories of women with low AMH still being able to produce The One That Works! With higher stims, I hope your upcoming cycle has the positive outcome we all want. I’ve heard good things about Clexane and Lubion and I’m actually going to ask about Lubion for extra progesterone support myself.

Interesting that your consultant told you not to over-exercise or lose too much weight. I know you’re right about occasional sweet treats but I worry so much about compromising egg quality. Rationally, I know women get pregnant on all sorts of less than healthy diet but the stakes feel nerve-wrackingly high with IVF, you know?! Please can I ask you what NMN is? I’ve not heard of NMN for egg quality but I’m interested, of course!

Sending you strength, good wishes and many thanks for your reply!

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MrsMotts · 17/09/2023 13:31

Absolutely it’s such a balance isn’t it! Realistically we know all kinds of people get pregnant by accident, but that doesn’t help when you’re on this journey at all does it, and you constantly worry is there something you could have done to make it work!

I read about NMN on here on a different thread - let me see if I can find it and tag you ❤️

Lucyloulou85 · 17/09/2023 16:38

Yes, this works! Thank you so much - reading about NMN is interesting!

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Lucyloulou85 · 17/09/2023 16:40

Absolutely about the worry 😔 and wanting to do anything possible to increase the chances of it working!

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