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IVF Scotland - thread 5

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itsmschanandlerbong · 27/03/2023 20:41

Hello, made a new thread for us Scots going through IVF, thread 5. Hoping this is the best thread yet for dreams coming true ❤️

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2mumlife · 20/01/2024 17:38

@Sassttc We were with GCRM, we only waited a couple of months to start IVF when we decided to move on from IUI attempts. I don’t know if it was quicker because we were already being treated if that makes sense? We also basically experienced no wait going back and starting FET for a sibling, got a consultation straight away and just had a few tests and checks and told to phone to do consent and planning appointments when we were ready to go.

@StuffLoriThangs Have you had some indication how long they want you to wait before going ahead with a FET?

StuffLoriThangs · 20/01/2024 18:43

2mumlife · 20/01/2024 17:38

@Sassttc We were with GCRM, we only waited a couple of months to start IVF when we decided to move on from IUI attempts. I don’t know if it was quicker because we were already being treated if that makes sense? We also basically experienced no wait going back and starting FET for a sibling, got a consultation straight away and just had a few tests and checks and told to phone to do consent and planning appointments when we were ready to go.

@StuffLoriThangs Have you had some indication how long they want you to wait before going ahead with a FET?

Thanks for replying. No. I think I will phone the clinic back, because I just don’t want to wait 6 months. This year hasn’t really started out how I thought at all.

Kitty12345678 · 20/01/2024 19:23

Hi everyone. Hope you are all well.
@Kamiros thanks for the support. I totally understand you have been through a lot and taking a year out sounds like it will be good. The immunology treatment sounds tough.xxx
@itsmschanandlerbong thanks. I have a scan at 8w+5 with the NHS. Was thinking of going sooner to get one at GCRM but would bring me back bad memories of last time.
@Nosejug Ive never heard of AMH going up but that sounds amazing 👍 I was also on protocol 9. Happy to chat about it via PM.
@2mumlife good luck with your transfer

I’m currently 7w+3. My symptoms have been fluctuating a lot from morning sickness, extreme tiredness and nausea. It’s definitely now more intense than last time. It’s just a rollercoaster of emotions at the moment and I really can’t expect too much until my scan at the end of the month.🤞🏻 Absolutely terrified for the scan and speaking to a different therapist now to help me through this. I’ll let you all know how it goes when it comes.

2mumlife · 21/01/2024 08:43

@StuffLoriThangs I’d definitely try to phone them and get some idea of how long you might have to wait so you know what to expect x

@Kitty12345678 That’s good the NHS are giving you an early scan. Hoping everything goes smoothly for you, not long to go x

@Nosejug I totally don’t trust AMH measurements to be honest as I had mine repeated because I didn’t respond as well as they would have expected to stims, and mine had gone up by quite a bit too (can’t remember exact figures). I really don’t believe AMH is that good a predictor of how you will respond to stims. My second stim cycle they wanted to
make it a freeze all because my
amh was higher, yet they knew from first cycle I get very very few eggs. It was ridiculous

Ellenn · 22/01/2024 18:44

Hey everyone, I’m preparing for transfer which is this Friday 😳 eek. My clinic doesn’t do blood tests but I was planning on getting one for after transfer. Previously I have used medichecks that have been quite good. Wondering if anyone used GCRM and if they do on the day results? I was thinking I might test 9dp5dt as that’s when I’ve tested on my previous cycles (although will land on a Sunday this time) Any recommendations/info would be appreciated!

2mumlife · 22/01/2024 19:03

@Ellenn Hey, GCRM used to do beta hcg test as standard, but this time have given me a home pregnancy test to do, and will only do blood test if that’s positive. Their testing day is always 10dp5dt or 11 days if it falls on a Sunday (day of transfer is day 0 not day 1 for their calculations). Not sure if they would do the blood test earlier though if you were just paying as a separate service from a different clinic

2mumlife · 22/01/2024 19:04

@Ellenn It’s same day results x

Ellenn · 22/01/2024 20:39

@2mumlife thanks for the info! Argh not sure if I should maybe do it on the Saturday but then it would be 8dp5dt or just stick with the original medichecks test!

Will see what they say as I’ve emailed them to see if an option since I’m technically not at their clinic!

2mumlife · 23/01/2024 18:21

@Ellenn Id be intrigued to know what they say x

Ellenn · 23/01/2024 21:54

@2mumlife i will let you know if I get a response 😊 I may just stick with medichecks though as sounds like they wouldn’t do the bloods on the Sunday anyway!

anyone else due to get a transfer soon here?

StuffLoriThangs · 24/01/2024 07:10

@Ellenn soonish for me, possibly. I got some better news from my clinic when I phoned at the start of the week

the tldr version is i don’t need to wait months to see someone after kidney stones. They’re happy for me to get booked in and get a FET.

Ellenn · 24/01/2024 08:01

@StuffLoriThangs amazing news 🙌 will you be doing a medicated or natural cycle?

2mumlife · 24/01/2024 10:08

@StuffLoriThangs Congrats! Hope you can get started soon

@Ellenn I had an embryo transferred on Monday so in the waiting game at the moment

Eiremogra · 24/01/2024 10:48

@Ellenn how are you feeling? I’m due FET on Saturday… nervous and excited all at once! How did the transfer itself go?x

StuffLoriThangs · 24/01/2024 14:59

@Ellenn @2mumlife
aww thank you. It will be a medicated cycle, I currently don’t have periods on my own. But at least I will get some monitoring

Howcanthisbesodifficult · 24/01/2024 19:32

Hi looking to see if anyone can help or give me some advice.
My partner and I (both female) had our first telephone appointment with the Dr for ACS. To be honest it was really disheartening and confusing. It seems so difficult to navigate as a same sex couple especially when it comes to sperm and potential siblings we might want to try for (it's not clear on whether if successful we could fund a second round for my partner with the same sperm or whether it would have to be me again). I felt so vulnerable, disheartened and stupid. I have read non stop since our GP referral in July and I'm so angry at myself that I was working off the wrong premise.
It also sounds like a very wait for sperm is so long. We are now potentially considering paying for treatment, for IUI most likely and wondering about GRI, if we decide we want to go private do we essentially have to do the wait all over again?. Apologies for this brain dump I just feel so disappointed and I know I should be grateful for the opportunity to be funded but it feels that our choices are so limited.

StuffLoriThangs · 24/01/2024 19:41

Sorry @Howcanthisbesodifficult I don’t know what to say. It sounds really tough, unclear and confusing.

itsmschanandlerbong · 24/01/2024 20:44

@Howcanthisbesodifficult sorry I can't help much except to say that the wait for private treatment is definitely shorter and I'd imagine as you are purchasing sperm rather than waiting on an nhs donor it could be quicker, but costly too. There is a Facebook group called Glasgow IVF & ICSI Support Group - you might get some answers there because of how many people use this group compared to this thread.

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Howcanthisbesodifficult · 25/01/2024 08:50

@StuffLoriThangs thank you for the reply, even just that has made me feel less alone.

@itsmschanandlerbong thank you so much for the suggestion, i joined the group you suggested and from that found the fertility scotland lgbtqi group. Can't thank you enough as I've found some answers already.

I suppose this is just part of the process which we all embark on regardless of the route we are going down.

2mumlife · 25/01/2024 10:03

Hi @Howcanthisbesodifficult . I can share our experience as a same sex female couple which might help. When we were looking to ttc as a same sex couple you had to self-fund 6 attempts at IUI before you were eligible for NHS treatment. My understanding is that the rules on that have changed now, but its worth confirming with your NHS board if you are expected to self-fund some cycles before becoming eligible for NHS treatment.

We went to a private clinic (GCRM) and I (as the person who we decided would be the genetic mother and carry) went through some basic fertility assessments (AMH test, HyCoSy) to check I was suitable (no issues found, normal AMH, no issue with tubes etc). We decided to purchase donor sperm from the European Sperm Bank rather than use a UK donor, as you get a lot more information about the donor and we felt we had more choice. So I don't know how long the wait would have been if you used a donor through your clinic and what options you would have for having a sibling from the same donor. If you use to European Sperm Bank, you buy a pregnancy slot (there are a limited number of pregnancy slots allowed for each donor, so e.g. only 10 families in the UK can use the same donor). When you purchase your pregnancy slot for a donor, you can put both you are your partners names down. That pregnancy slot is for you as a family, so if you and your partner both want to use the same donor you can, as you are one family. You then buy as many straws as you want (dependent on availability). The European sperm bank recommend purchasing 6 straws for the attempt at 1 child. We bought 6 straws initially. We did 4 attempts at medicated IUI (taking letrozole) with no success (using 1 straw of donor sperm each go), and we made the decision to move to IVF. When we moved to IVF we used an Access Fertility package to help fund our IVF journey. I responded very poorly to IVF stimulation, and there was a problem during my first IVF cycle at egg collection where they got far fewer eggs than expected. We only got 2 eggs, but both fertilised and made it to day 5. Our fresh embryo transfer resulted in BFN and our following frozen embryo transfer resulted in a chemical pregnancy. We did a second IVF cycle with a different protocol using a freeze-all approach (no fresh transfer at the end of the cycle) to try to help given the issues with the first cycle. We got 6 eggs, all fertilised and made it to day 5, but only 3 were suitable to freeze. Our first FET transfer from this batch resulted in our DD.

So it took us 4 IUIs, and 3 embryo transfers to conceive, with 2 embryos left frozen for a sibling. I'm not going to lie, it cost A LOT but it was worth it :)

We also made the decision after I became pregnant to buy 3 more straws from our donor. These straws are being stored at the European Sperm Bank, so technically if we decided not to use those straws, we could 'return' them to the sperm bank and get some of the money back, and those straws would become available for someone else. You can only 'give back' straws to the European Sperm Bank if they stay on their premises - as soon as you transport the straws to your clinic, you cannot return the straws. I'm glad we made this decision to buy more straws when we did, as I have not seen any more straws become available for our donor since then. Keep this in mind if you use the European Sperm Bank that your donor may stop donating / there is no guarantee there will be more straws available in the future. So if using the same donor is important to you, you may want to purchase more straws initially. The European Sperm Bank does prioritise giving straws to families that have a child from that donor already when a sperm donor is coming towards the end of donating, and I know that there are families on a waiting list for our donor if anyone (like us for example) were to give back any straws.

We're now trying for a sibling with our remaining embryos (I'm carrying again). As we now have a child, we are not eligible for any NHS treatment (keep this in mind if you might want a sibling, that you would have to completely fund any attempt for a sibling yourselves - it doesn't matter who is trying to conceive if you are both the legal parent of your first child you wont be eligible for NHS treatment to conceive a second child). My partner does not want to carry, and is happy for any sibling to genetically come from me, but if she had wanted we could legally transfer our remaining embryos into her body, or use the same donor (using the extra straws we have) with her.

In terms of waiting times, its a bit hard to say. We finished all our initial consultations and fertility checks just before the first covid lockdown, during which the clinic closed. When the clinic reopened there was a bit of a backlog, but it only took a couple of months (during which time we chose a donor, got the sperm shipped to the clinic) until we could start IUI. We had to wait maybe 2 months or so when we moved from IUI to IVF.

This time around when we approached the clinic to ask about doing a FET we were basically told there wasn't a waiting list and we could get started whenever we wanted after we'd filled in all the forms etc, so we had a consultation, redid some paperwork / provided some additional paperwork they needed like my more recent smear test, retesting my tsh levels, having a scan to check there were no anatomical issues/changes since we had last been seen and things, redid consents and then got started again this month. I think there would have been more of a wait if we were doing an egg collection round.

Hope this helps, but happy to try to answer any more questions you have. Best of luck whatever you choose to do :)

Kitty12345678 · 31/01/2024 23:30

Hi everyone hope you are all well.
Had my scan on Monday and everything is okay ☺️, measuring 9weeks. Still early days and I have many milestones to go before I will feel more relaxed.

Thanks everyone for your support over the past 2years. This forum has been an amazing space and I’m really thankful for all the advice. xxx

Ellenn · 01/02/2024 06:50

@Kitty12345678 congratulations 😁😁😁 so nice to hear. I hope your pregnancy goes smoothly xxx

@Eiremogra @StuffLoriThangs @2mumlife think you all had a FET around same time as me! How are you guys doing have you managed to not test yet?? I’m now 6dp5dt 😳 planning on testing on Sunday …..

Eiremogra · 01/02/2024 08:07

Hi @Ellenn - I hadn’t realised we were so close together! How is everyone feeling? I’m 5dp6dt today so right behind you! My test day is Monday but…OH is away so we have to delay the test until he comes back home. Torture!!!!!@2mumlife @StuffLoriThangs what stage are you at?xx

Eiremogra · 01/02/2024 08:11

Fantastic news @Kitty12345678, please keep us updated on how you’re doing. You’re right about this forum,it’s the best!!xx

Nosejug · 01/02/2024 08:45

Aw @Kitty12345678 so nice to read that everything's going well. And thanks for your offer to talk about top protocol. I might message you closer to the time if that's alright, my head is submerged in work at the moment which is a pleasant and fun distraction from a frankly traumatic few months!

@2mumlife is know it wasn't for me but it was really helpful reading through your donor sperm experience. I'm in a het relationship but would love to try donor sperm
before moving on to donor egg as the nhs are pushing me to do. Partner has subnormal sperm and I am, well, oldish, and have low amh. It really is difficult coming to understand how the whole thing operates, and the costs attached are fairly overwhelming!

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