Sorry that your recent cycle hasn't worked out, October is a ridiculously long wait for a follow up. I don't know why they can't just allocate time for follow ups considering they know the percentage successful outcomes.

My first recommendation is ask your clinic for a copy of your notes. You will usually have to pay for this, it's good to get the ball rolling and bring the notes with you to any private consultation as it will give information about how you responded to the drugs.

As to whether it's too soon that is up to you and your partner to decide on the emotional side, and the clinic to advise if they want you to wait a cycle. My last clinic were prepared to let me stim again the 2nd period after the failed IVF one, but possibly might have let me start sooner of I'd been able to get a follow up sooner.

I recognise the frustration and feeling of having left it too late (I'm a tad older than you) but in the scheme of things a month or 2 of you have to wait will be manageable. Good luck.

Hi @NotLateInTheMorning

I failed my first nhs ICSI cycle and had one normal period post ivf bleed and then started day 21 of the next cycle with downreg.

However our clinic were excellent - I had my debrief the day after my OTD! (Bled early like you) then they organised DNA fragmentation, we saw them for the results a month later and started injections again a couple of weeks after that. I'm now 9+6 weeks pregnant so the second cycle worked.

If you're moving clinic I'd def get your notes - we learnt a lot from our first cycle and made changes that worked!

I completely understand on the not wasting time - I'm 32 but have high FSH so there was no way I was waiting any longer than I needed.

Good luck!

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NotLate my first cycle was abandoned before egg collection and my second cycle I bled before test date too. It was so shit as I'd booked that day off work, I had thought the progesterone would hold off my period even if BFN.

I was generally unimpressed with my clinic and am moving for my next attempt, but they were relatively quick at getting my notes, they warned it could take up to 4 weeks but did it in 2.
I had to fill in a form and pay an invoice. If your clinic drag their heels on that contact PALS.

Your last sentence is true. I think the crappiness of it doesn't go away but my goodness the rawness does. The first few days I was just bursting into tears a lot, better out than in I think. But now I'm just so keen to start a new cycle, however I'm waiting due to wanting to try DHEA. I have low AMH and willing to try anything to boost my eggs.

Our first ivf icsi cycle failed in May, our clinic gave us an immediate consultation and we discussed next steps. They advised not to start until I had a proper AF after the AF of failed cycle. They said it was our choice and would go with what we decided but that was their recommendation. The reason behind it was that they wanted to give my ovaries time to recover and my hormones to normalize.

We agreed with them and also decided to start our 90 day egg cycle first so our next round is in September

JeNe I agree with OP, this ride is hard enough, having a shittu feeling about your clinic is counterproductive.

We are staying with ours because they are fab and have been from the start.

I can't figure out my dates for next cycle as AF is now 2 weeks late, I know this is the side effect of all the meds. I am focussing on my 90 day cycle now so I can get the best chance when it comes around.

We have also decided frozen egg transfer rather than fresh (if they are suitable to freeze) because of the success rates

After two unsuccessful cycles with the minimum one cycle (I‘m the same age as you so also didn’t want to wait around) between them I was advised to take three months off to improve egg quality. In the next cycle, the fertilisation rate was three times higher, and I got a bfp and some good quality frozen embryos (first time there was anything to freeze). Of course it was a different protocol each time so no idea what actually made the difference.

@NotLate yes they are if you have embies to freeze, I hope we get some this time round. My clinic explained that the conditions that the uterine lining is left in after all the meds is not ideal for implantation, thats why they prefer frozen as it alloes your body to normalise. It also has less miscarriage and birth defects and abnornalities.

It may take you longer than 2 mths with a new clinic - many make you do all the tests again.

We didnt get any frosties either so are hoping to get some. Clinic has amended my protocol this time to increase the Gonal slightly. They also advised me about what I can change during the 90 day egg development cycle to help, though the eggs they got last time were grade A, there just weren't enough of them.
We started our journey on the NHS with all the testing but didnt meet the criteria as I was 35 when referred. So we took our results to Greece and they were happy for me to start the cycle as soon as my next AF. They did the additional tests when we got to the clinic. I love my clinic for telling me that 37 is not old in fertility years.

It took me 6 months to get all my tests done with Care. They insisted on a lot - hsg, transvag scan, hiv, rubella antibodies, a trial on clomid and metformin etc. Maybe Birmingham will be different but suggest you pay for them all in the clinic to make it go faster as the NHS will take ages.

@NotLate mine was similar, 6 eggs, 4 mature, 2 fertilized. At day 3 both were grade A 8/7 cell split, neither made it to day 5. The good thing was that because it was a failed cycle at blastocyst stage, we didnt have to pay the full cost of treatment, the remaining amount was to he paid at transfer. We have saved it for next round.

So its the same advice as what you will find on here, no alcohol, at least 2 litres of water a day, light exercise, they recommended inositol, ubiquinol and melatonin for me. I had used these on previous cycle too. I know many say DHEA is good for those who have poor egg quality, they said not to take it for me because of the mild pcos.
I am also following a loose version of the natural fertility plan.
Sorry to hear about your experience overseas. We did a lot of research before we chose ours and also spoke to many couples who had been there too so we knew what to expect.

I had a really positive experience with Care in Birmingham although my consultant has now left. Even if you called them today I can’t imagine you’d start a cycle for a couple of months whilst they review and run tests. They are pretty thorough.

I didn’t end up having a cycle with them as I got a bfp just before, but due to the tests I’d had with them, the pregnancy stuck as I was on the correct drug protocol the day after the positive tests.

Are you taking CoQ10 and eating plenty of protein? I did this before my second cycle and got double the no of embryos and all top quality compared with the first.

What is your DH doing to improve sperm quality? I think that might also need to be your focus for the next 90 days.

When were all your last tests done?

@NotLate buy Ubiquinol not coq10, Ubiquinol is the purer more easily absorbed form

@notlateinthemorning I also forgot to mention Glutathianone supplement too, its an important one

Hiya

U r welcome. I havr not seen it mentioned anywhere on the boards either when it comes to fertility supplements.

Ok so I was told about it from my clinic, Glutathione occurs naturally in the body. Its the master antioxidant, basically the main dude.

Every cell on our body uses it to get rid of toxins and all the nasties.

So in terms of fertility:

Glutathione is important for both male and female fertility. It can improve sperm health and quality. When it comes to the women’s ovaries, glutathione has an important role to play. Our eggs develop slowly and gradually in a process known as folliculogenesis over a period of many months before ovulation occurs. During this process, the many cells surrounding the egg, known collectively as the follicle, replicate. Each one of these tiny cells requires glutathione to shield it from damage. As such, the egg quality is dependent on glutathione – one of the ovary’s main protectors.
In fact, research has shown that oocytes with higher levels of intracellular glutathione produce healthier, stronger embryos. Other research has shown that in our younger years, women’s ovaries actually have higher intracellular glutathione levels. As such, increasing our glutathione can potentially turn back the ovarian “clock”. Research has shown that glutathione deficiency is related to premature ovarian aging and even ovarian cancer. Another study found that for women undergoing IVF, higher levels of glutathione in a woman’s follicles translated into increased fertilization rates.

If you buy some, make sure you buy the liposomal as thats the one your body will absorb rather than break it down

U r most welcome. I bought mine from eBay