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Failed ICSI cycle 1 - Too soon to move to round 2?

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NotLateInTheMorning · 04/07/2018 13:12

Hi there,

OTD today but I knew 5 days ago when I started my period that our ICSI cycle had failed. It was NHS funded and the next available date to discuss the outcome is not until October!!!

I am going to turn 38 so have decided to make a clean break and go with a private clinic - ideally starting treatment when my next period starts.

If you have had more than one ICSI cycle - how did you decide when/where to have the second cycle?

I feel focused and ready. Of course, I am sad and upset but my over-riding feeling is that I have left it too late as it is and I want to steer ahead quickly. Work-wise the summer is also a good time for me.

I am thinking of going with CARE and on their website they currently have 0 days waiting time. They have an open day in a couple of weeks but I just want to call now and book a consultation.

Is it too soon?

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LopeyLopez · 13/07/2018 06:55

Hi all,

Also just failed first round of icsi (non-funded as second child). Also keen to start again after one normal bleed, if they'll let me, which would be September.

I am interested in the glutathione that has been mentioned. Does L-glutathione mean the liposomal form (there are lots labelled this on amazon)? Is it still worthwhile taking it if you already take a high strength antioxidant complex?

Thanks x


LopeyLopez · 13/07/2018 06:55

@AniSL for the glutathione enquiry....thanks.


AniSL · 13/07/2018 09:37

LopeyLopez glutathione is the main antioxidant but can only be absorbed in its liposomal state, any othet state and the stomach acids breaks its down and disappears.
The liquid form is the best one and should always be taken on an empty stomach


LopeyLopez · 15/07/2018 17:20

Thanks @AniSL : I have ordered the liquid spray from amazon. Not cheap. But says is proven to raise glutathione levels in cells quickly....which is the aim (never sure how much of the blurb to believe but we can but try....)

I already take a million supplements and have been living like a saint for months!! No caffeine, no alcohol, less sugar, loads of protein, regular exercise, acupuncture, meditation..... Not sure what else I can do?! If anyone else has any advice then please let me know....

@NotLateInTheMorning like you I was keen to dive back in for cycle 2 ASAP, especially given my age (38), but having read posts on here and having a little time to think about it, I am now thinking a few more months in between cycles might be more valuable than getting another one on the go as soon as possible, in terms of improving egg me more time to nourish those eggs and hopefully more chance of better quality next time (this was our issue: 7 eggs, 6 injected via ICSI, only 3 fertilised, none at blast stage by day 5..... 😞)

Onwards and upwards...


AniSL · 15/07/2018 18:20

LopeyLopez you are welcome. I bought Core Med Liposomal Glutathione, I know my last round the eggs were grade A but I just want to make sure they remain that way and also the Glut is supposed to nourish the ovaries and uterus too. Good for when transfer will happen. I think the best thing I did was wait a few months before next cycle, I was also told 30 days before actually start of meds to do a livet cleanse, it will help your liver deal with the onslaught of hormones.


NotLateInTheMorning · 17/07/2018 21:58

@LopeyLopez - sorry to hear about your cycle - it's a rubbish ride but we can only only there is light and a bump at the end.

I think the decision of how to long to wait to try again is a difficult one. I can totally see the advantages of waiting and giving your ovaries a rest as well as time to help improve egg quality.

For me, the summer is the best time to try again because come September work becomes really hectic again and I worry work stress will impact the IVF cycle.

However, I have been waking up in the past few days with achy ovaries so maybe they are telling me to cut them some slack. I spoke to a consultant at the clinic today and she said a minimum of one natural bleed is recommended. I may just wait for 3...

Saint-living to continue at least in the short term...

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AniSL · 18/07/2018 09:14

I have not had a AF since my AF following the failed cycle. I am so regular normally that I know my exact start dates, 3 weeka still missing AF, not pregnant as I have checked.
Made me realise just how they mess with your body


NotLateInTheMorning · 18/07/2018 10:51

@AniSL - I hope you don't mind me asking, were you on the long or short protocol? I was on the short one so didn't have down reg meds ...

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AniSL · 18/07/2018 12:08

@Notlateinthemorning of course you may ask, I was on a short protocol, quite mild compared to others. 150 Gonal daily upped to 200 when I started the Cetrotide.


Blondeshavemorefun · 18/07/2018 12:58

I was told fine to have one natural cycle then try again

Did May 2014 then Aug 2014

Then Dec 2015 and fet feb 2016 And July 2016


NotLateInTheMorning · 18/07/2018 13:16

thanks @AniSL - that is very similar to me, except I was on 200 Gonal throughout. Going to see if AF comes on did when I was cycling - starting bang on the date I should have even though I was still taking cyclogist!

thanks for sharing your experience @Blondeshavemorefun - were your cycles back to normal after the one cycle?

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Blondeshavemorefun · 18/07/2018 13:54

Yes back to normal. I was always very regular


LopeyLopez · 19/07/2018 09:16

@NotLateInTheMorning summer is also a good time for me as I'm a teacher so doing it then would take off a huge stress of fitting apps in with work etc and short notice time off, which is very difficult to manage. However I can't squeeze another one in this summer: it would be Sept at the earliest.

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