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To think evil child murderers should never be released!!

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mummycake · 09/06/2010 15:57

I have just hear that Roy Whiting the murderer of 8 year old Sarah Payne has appealed against his original 50 year sentence using tax payers money and has had it reduced by 10 years.

I am not saying that his original sentence wasn't fairly substantial but in my opinion, child killers like him who committed a cruel deliberate crime on an innocent little girl and who has never shown any remorse for it should remain locked up for life. He could still be a risk when he is freed in his early eighties.

Life for these individuals should mean life in my opinion!!

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Disenchanted3 · 09/06/2010 15:59

He will be dead before then.

And they said he will only be realsed (even after the 40 years) if they believe him to be no risk to children, which is never going to be the case.

He will die in prison then rot in hell

ShowOfHands · 09/06/2010 15:59

Are you interested in discussing this or is this a vent/rant?

hobbgoblin · 09/06/2010 16:03

Yes, what SoH said.

the words mummy and cake suggest you wouldn't wish to though.

slightlystressed · 09/06/2010 16:06

How many peodophile murderers do get released then?

Shaz10 · 09/06/2010 16:09

I think non-evil child murderers are ok though.

AMumInScotland · 09/06/2010 16:13

He was jailed for life, and remains jailed for life. The change in his sentence means that he can apply for parole after 40 years instead of 50 - but this does not mean that he would be released at that stage. He would have to convince them that he felt remorse for his crime and no longer posed a threat, for them to consider releasing him.

TrillianAstra · 09/06/2010 16:15

Sounds like a rant, not a discussion.

Are there any non-evil child murderers. Should they be released? What about adult-murderers? Does it depend if they are 'evil' or not?

TrillianAstra · 09/06/2010 16:15

Also this is another one where the title has been written like an AIBU even though the thread is nt in AIBU.

BadgersPaws · 09/06/2010 16:16

It's not his sentence that's been reduced (which was and remains life) but his minimum tariff. That is the point at which he can be considered for parole if he's no longer a threat, it's not when he will be released.

WellMeantHellBent · 09/06/2010 16:20

He had a psychological test done after the first conviction for sexual assualt and kidnapping and was found to be at high risk of reoffending, but was still let out. that case didn't involve murder though and I doubt very much he would be let out at all now, especially with the media coverage surrounding the case. Won't he be 100 if he serves 40 years?

thedollshouse · 09/06/2010 16:22

I don't think that someone who murders in cold blood should ever be considered for parole.

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mummycake · 09/06/2010 16:25

I posted this because it is a current news story which encourages debate. If it sounds like a rant then it probably is- I cant hide my feelings on this case but I have said its my opinion and will accept another take on this. I dont understand why posters on her feel the need to disect and comment on every possible thing I have written. Me saying evil, my user-name, being a AIBU post, having a rant etc etc. I have a right to post this message and a right to my opinion as I respect other people have a right to theres. It really is getting like some sort of mumsnet mafia on here!!

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mummycake · 09/06/2010 16:27

Sorry that above message wasnt to everyone- I just dont understand why people feel the need to have a dig and to make things personal.

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TrillianAstra · 09/06/2010 16:32

If you had 'cold blood' I doubt you'd be in much of a position to murder anyone.

ShowOfHands · 09/06/2010 16:33

Ah, I wasn't being personal. But have discussed and attempted to discuss the justice system, rehabilitation, reoffending, prison terms etc in the past and it's met with little discussion in response.

Fine if you want to rant, don't we all sometimes, just wondered if you wanted to just do that or talk about the topic?

I certainly didn't mean to offend or be personal.

But yes as others have pointed out it's not a change in his term but in his minimum sentencing.

And I will just point out that I don't mind it being tax payers' money. Well it's not their money is it? They paid it in tax. It's used for many things, including the justice system we have.

thedollshouse · 09/06/2010 16:34

mummycake there is nothing in your op that was offensive or indicated that you were a crazy witch hunter. If posters don't want to engage with you because they consider you not worthy because of your username they should ignore your post rather than pick it apart looking for things to sneer at.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 09/06/2010 16:35

I doubt he will ever be released. It is irritating though that this has cost money, and not really achieved anything. He'll either be dead by the time he's eligable, or they won't release him anyway. All this has done, IMO, is to tie up the legal system and cost money.

DuelingFanjo · 09/06/2010 16:37

Evil?

thedollshouse · 09/06/2010 16:39

Trillian Stop being pedantic, "cold blood" is a term that is widely used. I didn't go to Oxbridge and study the arts, I have a business degree from a university that usually hovers just above the bottom in the league tables so I will bow out now as I'm obviously not worthy.

Lulumaam · 09/06/2010 16:39

what Amuminscotland says

even if he gets to the date he can apply to parole, i doubt very much it would be granted.. there is no guarantee he will be released anyway...

you can apply the 'cruel deliberate crime' to any murderer.. why just apply this ethos to child killers? surely it should be for all ?

GypsyMoth · 09/06/2010 16:42

i left the polie force over a similiar case.....colin hatch. he was a predatory paedophile let out. us officers were told he was around,but we couldnt do anything.
it was a matter of time...and i was on duty the day a student nurse found the 8 year old boy. murdered. i was first on the scene with my sergeant and had to stand and wait with the body til cid arrived. it was horrific and i think about it alot years later (was early 90's)

but it was preventable....they should never have released him. this cant be cured.

JackBauerIsGoneForever · 09/06/2010 16:42

what are we supposed to say?
He'll never get out, after 40 years he will be eligible for the possibility of parole and if he is still considered a danger they will lock him up again.
What can be debated about this? People shoudl have a right to apply for parole and to appeal, and the justice system should keep those that should be locked up, locked up, so all good then.

TrillianAstra · 09/06/2010 16:44

I was making the point that 'cold blood' is another of these things (like 'evil' chld murderers as opposed to other child murderers) that is not measurable and therefore unenforceable.

ShowOfHands · 09/06/2010 16:45

And there is the rub lulu. The rehabilitative justice system does not work on a case by case basis. Your case is individually tried but the rules around sentencings, right to appeal etc are not restricted because we work from the position of equality and potential for rehabilitation for all. And rightly so. He is allowed the same access to appeal as everybody else because we cannot pick and choose where to apply standards of the justice system.

It is very, very difficult but it's important to separate the emotive reaction to the case from the system and even application across cases.

ShowOfHands · 09/06/2010 16:47

yy Trillian. Hyperbolic language is so evident when discussing cases such as these but it doesn't help and only enrages.