Jack Tweed found not guilty of rape

[Ponders]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8644486.stm

hmm. Did he just get the benefit of the doubt do you think - his word against hers?

Or "she knew what he's like when she chose to go back to his house"?hmm

Will she now be named?

These cases are horrible - really hard to determine who's guilty - maybe we should adopt the Scottish Not Proven verdict.

(put this in sleb twaddle before & then realised hardly anybody reads that!)

Sigh

I am have not said they are "innocent".

I said thats it's nigh on impossible to charge rape if people go along with sex at that moment in time, even if deep down they dont want to....

she was not struggling, she did not say NO, she went throught it. and thats the problem here no?

In a court of law you cant really prove what people were thinking, unless they said something

Porca

Obviously Jack Tweed and his mate are completely innocent, so we are talking hypotheticals here.

I think that it must actually be very rare for a man not to be able to tell the difference between a woman who is doing what he wants because she is frightened and a woman who is enjoying consensual sex.

I think I'd be able to tell the difference. Wouldn't you?

did he? I only know what I read in the papers, Dittany you have clearly read more about this than me. From reading opinions and facts here, I can concur that this could have been a miscarriage of justice.

I just (naively?) trust the decisions made in court

I just don't understand how they were found innocent of rape, if Dittany's characerisation and scenario of the events are true

The details dittany's referring to come straight from the mouths of the perfectly innocent men involved. Apart from the slapping thing which was from the testimony of the woman's friend.

What utterly vile, hideous specimens of humanity, and what an awful tale. Just read the whole thread.

Cue 'my courtroom hell' in OK magazine.

The door had no lock and yet the woman's friend couldn't open it when she tried to see if her friend was OK. It must have somehow got stuck, I suppose. That sounds plausible to me.

This is just a reminder not to go about with your mouth open, in case some confused man should misunderstand the situation and stick hic cock in it.

"The police told me afterwards that they'd been caught, but maybe that's a miscarriage of justice because did any of the other people who'd been mugged actually say - "no don't mug me, I want to keep my things". Same with burglary - unless people leave signs on their doors saying "don't take my stuff", why should we blame burglars for thinking it's just there for the taking? "

Dittany, of course the real problem here is the false accusation rate for muggings. If people wouldn't make up false mugging accusations which could see poor innocent non-muggers gaoled then the crime would be taken more seriously. It's those people, the ones who decide to give their stuff away and then think 'uh oh' that are the issue here. I think we should talk about them some more.

Also, I love you for this line:

"Even Tweed's friend pointed that out - that if it had been rape she'd have been screaming. It sounds like he really has a lot of expertise about this which is good, because there will never be any chance that he rapes someone by mistake. "