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Fox hunting

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lucy123 · 01/07/2003 16:56

Fed up, need a stimulating debate....

So, on the one hand we have a gang of very scary country ladies who think that 1000s of jobs would be lost if hunting was banned. What nonsense - they should try going riding without a fox every now and then to save those jobs.

On the other hand we have a day's debate on the subject in parliament when there are many more pressing issues: in particular the little matter of manipulation of opinion over the Iraq war. Is this a diversion?

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tallulah · 03/07/2003 22:40

As another veggie ex-hunt sab I used to get really fed up with the argument "you should be concerned about children in poverty instead of animals". I'm finding it still grates now....

Still veggie 23 years on but not quite so vocal about a/r,,, 4 children & full-time job tend to knock such luxuries on the head. Used to also be Sunday School teacher & collect for Christian aid & National Children's Homes (in teens) & same anti-animal people weren't interested in that either!

TBH I find it very hard to get wound up about the plight of people in other countries, esp since we had an asylum centre dumped next door to DS1s school. It's interesting how only young men manage to get here... (There you are, there's some contraversy )

judetheobscure · 03/07/2003 23:40

Ban hunting, shooting and fishing for "sport". How anyone can enjoy killing animals astonishes me. Keep animals humanely and kill them swiftly and as painlessly as possible.

Anyone know good sources of humanely reared / killed meat? It's so time-consuming trying to find decent stuff on supermarket shelves. I'm doing OK with the eggs (I think) but not very good with meat. Quite happy to pay more for it.

Enid · 04/07/2003 07:54

Dont worry about poor old Hugh, he in fact has a massive great farmhouse near River Cottage. He also has six fridges in his enormous kitchen so don't think he's done too badly. To be fair though he does actually live down here and only goes to London a couple of times a week.

Enid · 04/07/2003 08:01

Sorry tallulah, afraid you've managed to reinforce my prejudice that people who are obsessive about animals welfare are quite the opposite when it comes to humans! I always think its quite easy to be bonkers about animal welfare, the animal can't actually tell you what it wants and can't throw it back in your face afterwards. Its quite an easy way of feeling that you are controlling your environment. People are a different kettle of fish - much harder to protect and help as they are all individuals.

Jude - you could try a local butchers and ask them where their meat comes from, we do have an abbatoir locally and my butcher sells meat from there. It actually makes a real difference to the taste (not many stress hormones released into the meat).

Rhubarb · 04/07/2003 15:18

I do sympathise to some extent on the asylum argument. There do seem to be a lot of young men that come into the country, but then if you think about it, it's the young men in countries such as Iraq that are most likely to be killed.
Compared to the treatment of some human beings, animals have an easy ride. Just think about all the torture methods that have been developed over the years, all of them for use on humans. Yes I know that animals get experimented on, but at least they don't have wives and children who forever grieve their loss, or mothers and fathers who are left to wonder about the fate of their children. We are so lucky in this country, we know it is highly unlikely that our partners will be kidnapped and tortured, or that we will be gang-raped by groups of militants, or that our children will be kidnapped and shipped abroad into slavery and prostitution.

No, if you ask me, animals fare much much better than humans.

tallulah · 05/07/2003 09:43

Enid, if you'll read my post again you will see that I was doing "people" stuff as well. It was those self same people who demanded to know what I was doing to "help Russian children" that when asked "well, what are you?" had to admit that actually, they did nothing. (just liked to dictate to other people what they should care about).

We are all different, & nowhere is it written that we have to all be interested/concerned about the same thing.

I will say that being in an area of the country which is having thousands of asylum seekers dumped on us, I am less interested in their so-called plight than I might be if I was, for example, in Surrey.

aloha · 05/07/2003 11:56

I can't understand why anyone would say they would ban shooting for sport, but then say animals should be killed as quickly and painlessly as possible. I would say shooting fits that bill brilliantly, plus the birds are raised in perfect freedom, brilliant diet, cossetted to the max, then they die instantly. And then they are eaten.

CP1 · 10/07/2003 12:34

To be completely honest i don't really care if foxhunting is legal or not. It seems a little barbaric but there are far more important issues for our government to discuss. Wasting sooooo much time on this is ridiculous beyond belief.

fortyfide · 10/07/2015 12:39

We should NOt be barbarians becaus our ancesters were Foxhunters should chase their wives lovers in drag hunts.

fortyfide · 10/07/2015 12:41

Did you see the bustup on Newsnight (9th) thurs. Brian May said to hunting chappie "you are lying b+stards. It was rivetting

horseygeorgie · 10/07/2015 12:48

This tread is from 2003!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 14/07/2015 10:19

Why has a 2003 thread been revived? Anyway, I have been thinking just exactly the same as the OP did in 2003 - why are we even wasting Parliamentary time on shit like fox hunting? It's been banned, get over it, stop using it to divert attention from the budget and cuts to tax credits.

Hannahouse · 14/07/2015 10:22

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SonceyD0g · 14/07/2015 10:42

Doesn't make any difference if it is banned/illegal. It is an unenforceable law. The gov obviously has another bill it wants to push through unnoticed.
Should anyone who eats factory farmed meat really be commenting on how cruel they think fox hunting is?

muminhants1 · 14/07/2015 11:08

Fox hunting is already banned. This is about un-banning it.

Hunting for fun is wrong 100%. You can cull pests in a humane way. Fox-hunting is not humane and there is no reason for it. If you want a nice day out in the countryside with your horses and hounds you don't need to hunt down foxes to do it. It's sick.

AND there are more pressing matters for parliament to consider.

The Torys really are a bunch of idiots.

muminhants1 · 14/07/2015 11:09

Oh I just saw the thread was from 2003! Hence why talking about banning it! Doh.

I don't eat factory-farmed meat.

machair · 15/07/2015 11:42

In the area where I live, the Forestry guys used to go out every year and search for the fox dens. They would then kill the cubs. They stopped doing it and the fox population got too large, so now the foxes get shot instead.

As I understand it, the number of dogs which can be used in England is limited to 2 but in Scotland, an unlimited number of dogs can be used.

PageNotFound404 · 15/07/2015 13:18

Fox hunting is already banned. This is about un-banning it.

No, it was an amendment to bring the law as it relates to hunting in England & Wales in line with the situation in Scotland.

But it was only ever really a carefully orchestrated political manoeuvre to flush out the SNP on a less important topic so that the voting structure of the Commons can be amended before they threaten to scupper an issue that really matters to the Tories.

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