How terribly sad - 2 under 5's found dead in sussex.

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here

touchign to hear that her family were in court
poor poor them

actually think I'm going to hide this thread, apologies to anyone that may respond to my last post.

Just talk of mental health issues/blame etc all still a little too much of a recent memory for me and so further discussion not going to really do me much good.

I think you lose your right to be called a victim when you make someone else a victim.

Even if other parties were involved and didn't act when perhaps they should have, ultimately, she was the one who killed not one, but two children. She and only she is to blame for that. Yes there could be others to blame for the fact that it got to that point, but she is the one who ended those lives and she should be held accountable.

I have every sympathy for her ex, for her family, and mostly for her children, but I have no sympathy for her. I think when you take someone else's life you lose the right to sympathy.

I don't think that anyone here is suggesting that someone even with MH issues or even if someone should have intervened and didn't means that this woman should not be held accountable.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the outcome is just awful for everyone.

wannaBe, I think my point was, and is, that none of us has enough information yet (and perhaps never will) to reach a safe conclusion about how much blame to apportion and to whom. This woman might turn out to be one of the tortured or one of the wicked. We cannot know which she is and so should be wary of making any assumptions (though it clearly does not restrain some from doing so). She might be responsible in the sense that she caused the children's deaths - though even that is officially yet to be proven - but whether or not she is to blame is a matter for the legal process to determine once all the information, including that about her mental state, is considered.

Agree that we just don't have all the information.

Also agree that women and men should not be judged any differently. If it is ruled that she did this because she was mentally ill, then it is an appalling tragedy. If in any way it was a means of getting at the ex-partner then I find that unforgivable. The old cynic inside me also notes that however 'desperate' and 'suicidal' these people are they generally never manage more than a few superficial injuries to themselves, whilst succeeding in killing their children. I tend to think that that separates them from most 'desperate' people.

But if the court rules differently then so be it.