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Militant Islamic group banned

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duchesse · 12/01/2010 09:49

News story here. For some reason the banning makes me more uneasy than the group itself. It just doesn't feel very British to go around banning beliefs. I suppose I have enough trust in the tolerance/apathy of the UK population to think that nobody would take them at all seriously, and they might be few enough in number to round up if/as soon as they start kicking off. Banning just seems..wrong, somehow, basically it's what exremists do.

Any thoughts?

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KayHarker · 12/01/2010 10:37

Those signs are so stupid, serenity. That's what I'm talking about - they're so open about wanting to do away with freedom, and that should be the reason they're banned, really.

FranSanDisco · 12/01/2010 10:40

It's not just 'whites' who vote for the BNP. Canvass 'non-whites' in Barking and Dagenham and you will see that many British born 'non-whites' support them. SOme of the most vocal opposition to immigration I have heard has come from non-whites. The BNP are changing their target demographic to appear respectable. They are still arseholes though.

AngryFromManchester · 12/01/2010 10:43

I agree edam, completely, and I am glad you have been brave enough to say it because it makes me feel uncomfortable to even feel it

atlantis · 12/01/2010 10:48

Deportation or internment?

Can we deport them as they are British has been asked when I have sugested it so I say inturn them, we are at war after all and during ww2 we inturned people, so why can't we do it now?

There are a few Scottish isles that are unpopulated lets put them there, or on a ship in the middle of our waters, out of sight out of mind.

gypsymummy · 12/01/2010 11:04

I am a British Muslim and I strongly agree that other Muslims who hold and manifest such hatred and antisocial beliefs and use religion and piety to attract others to embrace it too should not live in this country as they are a threat to ALL OF US not just non Muslims. As a Muslim and a religious one too I strongly believe in co existence and tolerance and in respecting the other but that does not mean I can not also understand and practice free speech which I love about being British. The inability to co exist with other faiths and races is not good for any society and hence people who can not should just go elsewhere. I would like to see those people try their luck in dictator ruled Muslim countries which they fled from or which their forefathers left for a better life.

Heqet · 12/01/2010 11:07

well said gypsymummy.

TheCrackFox · 12/01/2010 11:08

Edam, I thought that watching the news last night. Hmm, they hate freedom but seem to enjoy it enough not to work. They have the freedom to leave Britain if that is how they feel.

noddyholder · 12/01/2010 11:10

Banned from what though?they can be stopped from marching and trying to recruit etc.but you can't ban thoughts and beliefs it is impossible.This will just psh them further underground and make them more attractive to potential memebers.

KayHarker · 12/01/2010 11:13

I suppose it will take away any air of respectability which might draw some unsuspecting souls in.

I think it's ok to ban some things even if it might attract some hardy nutters. After all, murder is illegal and people still contrive to kill people now and again. Doesn't mean we should allow murder to be legal.

noddyholder · 12/01/2010 11:19

They can ban the groups but they will reappear under differnet guises.This is election fodder

squashimodo · 12/01/2010 11:28

agree with noddyholder, they will reappear with a different name, they have been al-mahajirroun, al-ghurabbaa, the saved sect, don't know of any others.
This is definately election fodder.

squashimodo · 12/01/2010 11:30

They lost respectability many years ago, no muslims really take any notice of them, except to be frustrated with their continued embarrasing re-appearances.

mrsruffallo · 12/01/2010 11:31

I'm glad the march has been banned.
You have to draw the line somewhere, and it was the right decision

SerenityNowAKABleh · 12/01/2010 11:32

I think what really needs to happen is for more moderate Muslims to speak out, and for the Muslim Council of Britain to denounce them. Having the UK Govt ban or denounce them just increases their feelings of otherness - it's feeds a persecution complex. It also may (obliquely) get them more support amongst ordinary Britons who support the underdog.

In Saudi Arabia, they have a "terrorist reform" type programme, where clerics talk to the people who have been imprisoned, and argue from a theological perspective that they are wrong.

I suppose what could help, is if the Caliphate was re-instated and a central Muslim body denounced these kinds of organisations as being non-Muslim or heretical. Having Western "Christian" bodies denounce them doesn't give much traction in Muslim circles.

squashimodo · 12/01/2010 11:33

I don't think they had any real intention of carrying out the march anyway, they don't have enough members and certainly no supporters. There is, what, 5 of them?

squashimodo · 12/01/2010 11:35

Think you could be on to something there Serenity. Certainly there is not unified opinion amongst muslims on many things, largely due to the corruption that exists in muslim nations.

mrsruffallo · 12/01/2010 11:36

Good poi8nt Serenity

edam · 12/01/2010 11:39

Squash, you are right, sadly I think they wanted publicity and they have got it.

tispity · 12/01/2010 13:14

FranSanDisco - i do not know any intelligent non-whites voting for BNP. the skinhead who pounces on them in a dark alley is going to attack them upon the basis that they are non-white end of ; regardless of how they might feel about other (more recent) immigrants

gypsymummy · 12/01/2010 13:41

SerenityNowAKABleh the saudis have been on the receiving end of terrorist( actaulyl anti monarch) activities carried out by militant groups which is the sole reason for the rehab programme you mentioned. Saudis practice a form of Islam which Muslims like myself find just as uncomforatble and unfriendly to the rest of the world and to themselves and many investigatory documentaries have proven there is a very strong link between Wahabism and radical extremism. As in any faith there will be people who will play the holier than thou policy role and practice trends to that end which is despicable but sadly real. If this organization ISLAm4U are so proud to be "actively" Muslim and seek platforms to propogate what they stand for then I suggest they tackle the many many endless cultural practices which have nothing to do with Islam but have wrecked society and families like forced marriage amongst Asian communities. However, to leave you on a good note: many British muslims have and still do contribute to the Brtish society Big Time and have been very peaceful and able to co exist and maintain a very well balanced life here.

onagar · 12/01/2010 13:43

Anjem Choudary said "What the people will see is if you don't agree with the government and you want to expose their foreign policy, then freedom quickly dissipates and turns into dictatorship."

WRONG!

Most of us don't really like the BNP (even if some might vote for them as a message to mainstream parties) but we allow them to disagree with the majority because that's how democracy works.

For that matter lots of people hate Labour or the Tories, but anyone who works within the law is entitled to their opinion.

We won't allow Choudary because he preaches terrorism and the overthrow of our government by any means necessary.

He says he can't stop just because it's illegal. Fine by me. He can have the alternative 10 year prison sentence instead. That should help control his urges.

SerenityNowAKABleh · 12/01/2010 13:51

Agree gypsy on all your points. Isn't the Saudi version of Islam predominantly Wahabi'ism?

I may have missed this, but I think for the planned protests it wasn't necessarily just protesting civilian deaths, but ALL Muslim deaths in Afghanistan (presumably including Al Qaeda fighters and what not).

littleducks · 12/01/2010 13:53

I dont know if this is a good idea or not.

Islam4UK was Al Muhajiroun a few years ago, the when that was banned became Islam4UK. So i dont think that it will be particularly helpful in the future. Does seem like pure appeasement of DM readers for votes to me.

I was giggly at Mr Choudary saying how anti-democracy it all was........after all his explanations on the worngs of democracy, I didnt see him as being too concerned about preserving its principles before.

The MCB has made a statement concerning WB btw, it just hasnt been supported. Although as other posters have said, mosques dont tend to belong to larger groups in the way churchs do.

FranSanDisco · 12/01/2010 13:55

Tispity, I don't think intelligent and BNP can be in the same sentence. However, to support the BNP you don't have to be intelligent or white just ignorant.

onagar · 12/01/2010 14:01

Maybe people could get the treatment they so keen on being made law for us all In his ideal society he'd probably have been executed long ago for the trouble he causes.