Rod Liddle, for example, is a twat

[SansSheriff]

Trying to outdo Jan Moir for most hideously offensive opinion piece of the year, here

What a lovely man.

He was correct about the Human Filth though. Why do some young men seem to have such a
low regard for human life and for females.
Surely a pregnant young girl should have some kind of natural protection around her but to those scum bags she was nothing more than a piece of meat to be disposed of!!

I dont agree with the rest of Rod Liddles comments.

It was a terrible attack but wtf has it got to do with their race, or goat curry?!

What did he say?

Just read it on SansSheriff link.

Typical right-wing Tory voting Daily Mail Reader type rubbish.

Obviously his MO is deliberately provocative.

It would be interesting to know what the actual statistics are about violent crime and race in London, so that if the statement at the heart of that piece is factually incorrect he can be told so.

I thought RL was as left wing as they come!

I think he has become very diss-illusioned with the whole New Labour bollocks.

Insider,

as opposed to the red flag waving labour voting P.C hugging drivel that comes out of the Guardian?

He's not wrong in that statistics show it is young african carribean men who commit the majority of crimes discribed , but he is wrong in saying that those are the only benefits that african carribean residents have brought to this country.

Someone needs to talk about what's gone wrong with this part of society, maybe someone with more than two braincells that are fighting for supremacy would do a better job though.

Have done a quick Google and come up with a Home Office report on race and crime here.

A cursory browse reveals that the crimes with the highest proportion of black offenders being imprisoned are drug offences (23%), fraud and forgery (22%) and robbery (19%). So that means of the only one of these crimes which is violent, ie robbery, roughly 80% of crimes are not perpetuated by black people. (This is on p88 if anyone is interested. It's a long document so might be some more relevant stats to come...)

I really think he's being a journalistic troll, who in his vanity wants the attention Jan Moir got recently. Twat, indeed.

See p94 on that report I've just linked for a detailed breakdown of crimes committed (and imprisoned for) by ethnicity.

Violence against the person -- total imprisoned 15,703 of whom 12,915 were white and 1,472 were black.

But when this is put against the proportion of the population does it not make the figures worse?
I have no idea to be honest but isnt this one of those areas that if a discussion is attempted then anyone not spouting the usual PC rubbish is immediately branded a rascist?

The statistics blatantly disprove RL's (and Atlantis') theory that black men commit the majority of all violent crimes.

I'm sure there are interesting debates to be had on whether young black men are statistically more likely to commit certain crimes and what the sociological background is for this (more likely to live in poverty, is just one that springs to mind) but that is a totally different thing to spouting gibberish about how all young black men do is stab people whilst listening to hip-hop and eating goat curry.

Sans,

That reports from 2005 and it's national not just London, also when weighting the home office stats you need to take into account that not ALL prisoners give their race or it's not recorded add to that the fact that mixed race has it's own section and that PHOP is not always taken into account.

It is not very multicutural where I live and I can assure you that is is young white men who are a PITA round here.

BTW how old is the photo of Rod Liddle? It must be twenty years old.

Sans,

also he's not saying ALL young black men stab people, or that they ALL listen to rap (which is different to Hip Hop ) or that they ALL eat goat meat curry ( and no i'm not defending him just having a debate) what he's saying is that these crimes are prodominantly a black youth culture in LONDON and he's right, otherwise I guess all those teenagers and their parents who marched through london protesting gun and knife crime by black youths in their community were wrong, or that the groups of Black mothers against gun and knife crime are worrying about nothing?

Actually Rod Liddle is left-wing in orientation. I don't think he's ever written for the DM.

Ignore him ignore him, if everybody ignored him he would stop. Bonnie Greer said 'most paedophiles are white males and all we got was Top Gear and Beans on Toast. I have just been reading the Indy and then jumped here.

I have a quietly optimistic feeling that he is one of a generational breed, liberated by Loaded and Men Behaving Badly (and yes, I
do think that programmes like that do have cultural influence) that is dying out.

The editor of the Spectator has described him as one of the best writers in Britain so I must now take my tablets and have a lie down.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics!

I remember having exactly this conversation with a policeman back in the 90s. He was a fairly senior officer in Brixton at that time. I cannot recall the exact numbers but it was the same thing, that the majority of violent crime at that time was being committed by young black men.

But, he told me that virtually all those crimes were being committed by the same people! There were about 30 of them (a tiny proportion of the population of Brixton) who were members of two gangs, who spent their time attacking each other quite violently.

Statistics like these should be used to identify a problem and hopefully to find a solution to it. They should not be used to vilify and alienate a whole section of the population.

"It would be interesting to know what the actual statistics are about violent crime and race in London, so that if the statement at the heart of that piece is factually incorrect he can be told so."

but would that conversely mean that if the statistics back him up he is right?