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Illegal downloaders to be targeted by lawyers demanding cash.

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StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 28/11/2009 15:46

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8381097.stm

I must admit I'm a bit worried after downloading a few DS games. Although I'd like to point out I'm not doing it anymore. Do you think I can blame it on DD if we get a letter.

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somewhathorrified · 01/12/2009 11:20

I really don't think it's theft to watch something for free that you would watch for free at a later date anyway. The ebay example works on the principal that the seller would have copied the dvd b4 selling it on. And most TV series that people fileshare on are established and popular TV shows (e.g Lost and Heroes) that are not going to be dropped and don't need to have every season plugged.

gallusbesom · 01/12/2009 11:47

I agree with Laurie I will watch US TV shows when they are eventually shown on UK tv. In fact if I find a gem of a show that is due to be shown over here i.e. Glee I will positively endorse it and encourage people to watch it.

With the technology we have available now there is no reason why the UK has to wait up to a year to view US television programmes.

BadgersPaws · 01/12/2009 14:41

"ebay example works on the principal that the seller would have copied the dvd b4 selling it on."

Well yes if you are going to include "theft" and dishonesty in your eBay example then it somewhat matches the "theft" and dishonesty in illegally file sharing a DVD.

However a normal and honest eBay sale is nothing at all like illegally downloading that DVD.

"I really don't think it's theft to watch something for free that you would watch for free at a later date anyway."

Where can you watch something for free?

Most commercial stations rely on advertising revenue, which is dependant on viewing figures.

So if people download and don't watch then the show won't get the ratings and, the TV channel will stop showing the show and the production company might have to stop it's production.

Even the BBC, where you could argue shows are kind of free, relies on viewing figures to justify what they spend in buy a show.

"And most TV series that people fileshare on are established and popular TV shows (e.g Lost and Heroes) that are not going to be dropped and don't need to have every season plugged."

So it's OK for someone to steal a show as they rely on enough other people being honest so as to keep the viewing figures up and therefore the show being made? Someone can be dishonest because enough other people are honest? Is that really justifiable? If many other people buy BMWs can I therefore go and steal one? BMW's are popular and established and don't need to sell every car.

I'm not sure where I stand on downloading and then re-watching it when it is aired.

It's a bit like that old chestnut of eating sweets in a supermarket before paying for them.

Or to use a more accurate analogy taking sweets that someone else has shoplifted and then going to pay for them later.

Basically it's very much the case that anyone who downloads and then doesn't consume the product in the "normal" way later can't call themselves a fan of something.

Someone who does later consume it "normally", well you're still on very dodgy ground. After all if word gets around that "many" people have downloaded something a TV company might feel justified in putting in a lower bid for the rights to show a program.

So you're still hurting the people who make the thing you claim to love.

If people watching something for free before it was distributed didn't hurt viewing figures or could actually encourage more viewers then we'd see a lot of TV shows being marketed that way.

We don't.

somewhathorrified · 01/12/2009 17:35

Sorry if I've got this wrong, but I was under the impression that viewing figures in the UK are based around a sample of viewers that have set top monitors. Not every TV is monitored and as such viewing figures are a bit of a fiction. The US works differently.

Also if people are a fan of the show they will watch it over on terrestrial, even buy the DVD. With TV shows the objection is having to wait to find out what happens next.

As for free TV, your right it doesn't excist after all we all have to pay for the TV license!

Milliways · 01/12/2009 18:36

Does anyone agree with DH's view that it is ok to download an e-copy of anything we hold a hard-copy of?

EG, we buy a DVD and then let DS download same film to keep a copy he can watch easier on his PSP?

BadgersPaws · 01/12/2009 20:27

"I was under the impression that viewing figures in the UK are based around a sample of viewers that have set top monitors. Not every TV is monitored and as such viewing figures are a bit of a fiction."

Viewing figures are a good estimation based upon a projection from the numbers of people who do have monitoring equipment.

However they are broadly representative and if society gets it into it's head that it's OK to download and watch things then that will impact on shows.

Everyone seems to think that they don't matter, that what they do won't make a difference.

Well aside from the fact that it's wrong we do make a difference, we all do.

"Also if people are a fan of the show they will watch it over on terrestrial, even buy the DVD. With TV shows the objection is having to wait to find out what happens next."

Not everyone does, there are many shows that I enjoy but will only watch once.

So if I only like a show enough to watch it the once does that make it OK to steal?

There's been numerous shows that I've heard people like and then later admit that they downloaded and watched. For some shows the downloaded have matched or beaten the proper viewers in numbers.

BadgersPaws · 01/12/2009 20:33

"Does anyone agree with DH's view that it is ok to download an e-copy of anything we hold a hard-copy of?"

I agree that we should have the right to copy and repurpose what we on to other media.

For example it's technically illegal to copy CDs onto an iPod, but the record companies have said that they won't prosecute us, which is oh so very nice of them.

I think that that should be legal and that other things like DVDs shouldn't be locked down.

However a lot of those download sites are run by people who really don't give a damn about who they're stealing from and if you use those sites you're encouraging them and also perpetuating the view espoused by some on here that it's somehow OK to steal.

Therefore personally I won't touch them with a barge pole, even to get something to which I am entitled or is genuinely free.

mrsshackleton · 03/12/2009 18:09

"i just can't get upset about not making rich people richer."

Those "rich people" will include the tea lady, the people working in the canteen, the cleaners, the drivers, the make-up assistants, the set carpenters etc etc etc who will all be out of jobs (many already are) because downloading is affecting their industry.

All of you so pathetically attempting to justify your behaviour are thieves. Accept it. If you don't like the idea, stop stealing.

mayorquimby · 03/12/2009 22:35

exactly, when record companies loose money who do you think they lay off first? eric clapton?no they'll cut normal workers they now find expendable on the new budget or the band looking to break through.

Tortington · 03/12/2009 22:41

ahh, i think i specifically said i couldn't justify it.

however my thoughts remain the same.

Tortington · 03/12/2009 22:42

re tv. aired in the usa i mean

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