The Tories are gonna get in, it's inevitable do you care? Is there an upside?

[TheDullWitch]

Oh why not have the election NOW. Let the buggers get in, show their true colours, become universally loathed, then get kicked out after one term. Come on, let's get on with it!

Lol Smallwhite cat - reaching for my passport would be my reaction - Polly T is the most hypocritical (and stupid) person in Britain!

TBH-when the tories get into power I predict several riots and demonstrations and I may well be one of the revolting peasants!

I guess Polly Toynbee would need a passport to get to the Tuscan villa.

If you have not seen this before, watch from 1 min 45 seconds in.

upsides - anyone with money will not need to pay as much of their income to support the poor.

It should be easier to get servants as more people will need to accept low paid jobs.

You'll be able to pass on even more of your money to your children.

You can pay your workers less as more people will be competing for jobs.

MPs will be paid more (not a personal benefit but good for those who can get it).

abd i am sooo disapointed. i thought she really was going to be bitchslapped.

'The public sector should suffer for the excessive greed of the private sector'...

...but it isn't just the private sector that got greedy. The tax take under labour has risen from £293bn to £517bn in the ten years to 2007 - a rise of more than 50%! There is so much waste - I agree that frontline jobs should stay, but I resent my hard earned taxes being wasted on bureaucrats and civil servants pushing paper creating work for themselves. Why should the public sector be completely immune?

I have proposed to become a candidate for the Monster Raving Loonies in the depths of East Anglia.

It's a hard call. Not at all sure about the right wing loonies in Europe.

It is David Blanchflower, yes.

He was the only member of the MPC to see the credit crunch coming and consistently call for lower interest rates, months before the other members came round to his way of thinking

He's hardly a NuLab apparatchik

And he thinks Osborne is talking bollocks.

This should, at least, warrant an admission from right-wing ideologues that it is possible to argue that the insistence on savage cuts in a recession is based on ideology rather than sound economics.

Economics is more art than science. Nothing is proven in Economics, so it boils down to a matter of opinion. All economic theories are flawed and what happened once upon a time may not work again.

I don't know who I believe, but I am sick of the nanny state and this constant interference.

Hear hear SC. I think they are all as bad as each other tbh - but the wasted £bns in the creation of this nanny state is abhorrent, and change is sorely needed.

IMO the most important job of the day is which party is going to sort out the bloody Royal Mail situation which is driving me mad with Bills being unpaid as they haven't arrived and the like. I personally like the Tories, but then I also like anyone that isn't going to tell me that I have to do everything to their exacting methods ala Nanny State!

We are a democracy and freedom of speech and actions in all areas should be allowed to the most point.

I don't want someone telling me I have to work to survive and scrape and taking with one had whilst giving to loser layabouts who don't try with the other. That is hypocritcal and only really seems to happen in this country as far as I can see.

Therefore a democracy shouldn't mean that my family who work hard should do without so others can live of the benefit. You either do full out communism (shudder) or just try and be slightly more reasonable to the hardworking folk who seem to be being buggered. And lets face it most of us must be the 30 somethings that are screwed on a daily basis, so any party who is offering a change must be better - although not sure about UKIP or BNP even in a democracy they don't really roll with the program!

I think I'm going to make an exception and vote Tory for the first time.

Only because Zac Goldsmith is the local candidate and I hope he will push the green issues forward but I dread them getting in nationally .

I remember how grim it was last time for single parents, the poor, the ill, the elderly etc.

ondine, still shit for the poor,single parents, the ill and the elderly - of which I know at least one of the above in my family of each. Especially the ill, lots of ill family and they have had some appalling treatment (OK not treatment but have had to wait times that have not been acceptable and have been life threatening, one didn't make it so a bit bitter as you can imagine and IT WAS because the treatment available was rubbish. it should be the same amongst the whole country not just as a post code lottery don't you think?)

Ondine - Zac is an old Etonian as well you know.

Ondine, you live in the same constituency as me, it's precisely because Zac G is Con candidate that I won't be voting Con. Imo he's a self serving windbag whose green agenda doesn't seem to bother him when it comes to having a second home in Dorset, choosing a school his children must be driven to rather than a local one, (which is natch not a state primary) and so on and so on. He has no real interest and no real understanding of how human beings in his constituency live and cope

Susan Kremer is a brilliant consituency mp ime and very up on the green agenda too. And I loathe the Lib Dems as an entity. But I'll def be voting for her.

OMG, Zac is a man who can cheat on and leave a loving wife and three children (after he'd been shagging the tart for 3 years), not a man of any sort of principles.

He's a lying, selfish scumbag of a person.

People say, 'It doesn't matter what a politician does in his/her personal life', but would you want to hire a childminder who was treated his kids like shit? Then why hire someone who does that to look after your interests in Parliament? It's obvious this man puts his own interests first.

As the main breadwinner of my household,on a pt nhs wage,with a dp on IB with a horrid chronic illness,and a disabled dd,I fail to see any "Upside",sadly.

If the Tories get in, at least the Labour Party will be forced to have a good clear out and hopefully bring in some young blood and return to its Socialist roots. Plus, once the Tories show their true colours (I give them about 5 mins) it may reawaken many people's interest in politics and get them kicked out after 1 term. Don't underestimate the Left in this country; there are millions of us. We just currently have no one to vote for

Expat: on the face of it, my DH cheated on and left a 'loving wife and three children'. There was more to it than that, of course, and he is far from being without principles (and certainly not a lying, selfish scumbag - whatever his numerous faults may be, those aren't among them ). I think it's wilfully short-sighted to judge someone on that score.

Ondine - you're voting tory just because you want Zac to get in? He's not quite my local candidate but I read the local papers and I'm not aware of his unstoppable efforts in the green department. Is he doing it without fanfare?

'I think it's wilfully short-sighted to judge someone on that score.'

You do, Holy?

Because I'm a randy horndog myself. And a pretty one.

I'm a big ex-slag who, when I was 19, had an affair with my 43-year-old married professor. It's the biggest regret of my life and when people tell me he took advantage of his position, all I can think of is my personal responsibility in the matter and how lowlife it is to go with someone who is married.

Later on, I was married, and my husband at the time didn't want children, he wanted to go climb 8000m peaks. I hated him for that.

I could have slept with any number of people.

But instead one night I told him, 'I'm thinking of sleeping with someone else.'

Because when people are brought up with a real sense of principles and to really care about other people, which is the hallmark of a good leader, they think of the happiness of others. They put that first, sometimes.

When someone doesn't, and on top of that they make it all public, I think less of them.

I find them too weak and selfish to be a leader, because I know, perhaps from a different milieu (climbing), that leading is hard.

Zac could never understand something like that. Of that I'm about 100% sure. Because in his little mind, it's all good because Zac thought it was right and Zac so obviously can't conceive of the notion that what is right for Zac isn't right for everyone, so maybe Zac should fecking reign it in.

THAT is what leading is about, IME and IMO.

Admittedly, Zac had a poor role model of what is honour. It sounds like DC did, too.

I don't blame them for the environment in which they were born.

But they didn't grow past that, despite the advantages they had in life, yet they seek to persecute the very same people, who happened to be born in a poorer financial circumstance. They're scroungers, freaks, losers who need to snap out of it.

I don't understand that.

I find it weak and sad.

And I was born in a situation of privilege myself.

I see my own failings in my children, but I seek to change them, because I had the advantage and the ability.

That appears to beyond the scope of DC and his ilk.

What a pity, but that pity becomes a travesty if they're elected into office.

I don't think anyone at the conference said anything about people on benefits being 'freaks, scroungers or losers who need to snap out of it' what I did hear them say was "If you are 'genuinely' unable to work we will help you " and I don't see a problem with that.

I think we all know someone who is capable of working, even part time, and who is swinging the lead and claiming benefits, are we proud of that person?, then we all genuinely know someone who is ill and unable to work, or is a child who has an ASD and has applied for DLA and been rejected and had to go through the appeals process, is that right?

'I think we all know someone who is capable of working, even part time, and who is swinging the lead and claiming benefits, are we proud of that person?, then we all genuinely know someone who is ill and unable to work, or is a child who has an ASD and has applied for DLA and been rejected and had to go through the appeals process, is that right?'

We are more likely to know someone like that than we are to know someone like Sarah Cameron and her £20m inheritance.

Why is that? Well, that is obvious even to the illiterate. Why don't we know someone like that? Ask yourself that before you vote. Google 'British sufregettes' and read the stories of those women. Were they any less than you and me because they were born a hundred years earlier? Did they feel less?

I am, here, more likely to know the mother of the soldier sent, age 17 if he is lucky, to Afghanistan to risk his neck for the IED because that is what is left to him to support his 17-year-old Highland Mary of a wife.

Do I think DC cares? Oh heavens no. So I believe in God and there will be his place for sending my son and the sons of my friends there without so much as a second thought because he cannot even conceive of having a thought for those pale-eyed boys. I don't deceive myself in that and nor do they for all the education cuts he will invariably make. My own son stares up at me with his green eyes.

It's not entirely his fault, DC, he's a product of his environs, same is my own son.

But I'd have thought, with all his advantages and experiences, it would have leant him to think outside the box.

Now I see it hasn't.

As a person who was born to very Conservative parents and brought up privileged, I find that unconscionable on his part.