Banning smoking outdoors?

[MrsMerryHenry]

Did anyone else hear about this on R4 (PM programme) this evening? I can't find an article about it anywhere. Is this a serious proposal?

It does make me when smokers complain about infringement of civil liberties over this issue. I don't believe I have ever heard a smoker talk about non-smokers' civil liberties being infringed every time someone lights up. And non-smokers have been putting up with second-hand smoke for about as long as humans have walked the earth. So although a very small part of me feels a wee bit sorry for smokers, that they're being pushed into a corner, the rest of me goes "ROFLROFLROFL it's about time."

maybe I'm old-fashioned/reactionary/ just a bit dim but i can't see what all the fuss is about with regards to smoking, inside or out, and particularly passive smoking. any decent, well-mannered smoker would not smoke around a child these days anyway, and in any event I am not convinced of any proven link between passive smoking and ill-health. banning smoking altogether is, in my view, an overreaction and typical of our increasingly nannying government.

Really gets my goat - What difference is a little bit of cigarrette smoke going to make to a non-smoker in this situation, especially after the smoke has gone into the atmosphere?

Biryani, I agree with you. My smoker friends are really sympathetic about not smoking in front of my baby.

I say let the outdoors belong to the smokers.

round and round...

I would love for smoking to be banned in public, as the smoke makes me gag, even outside in the street. however ,as an ex smoker this is very hypocritical of me so I will have to say, let them smoke outside.
My mum and bf smoke too so couldnt be so cruel as to deprive them of their vices.
The smoking ban has more or less killed the pub trade, which is a shame. I think that there should be smoking dens, where smokers can go for a drink and a fag.

Frazzled, I really like that idea. TBH I think it is a bit inhumane making people go outside in the freezing cold to smoke.

Smoking dens a good idea. but ROFL at inhuman to make people go outside in cold to smoke. not inhuman to blow smoke over children or other people, not inhumane to sell the bloody things at all and get people addicted.

I don't want to be around smokers but there has to be a degree of freedom of choice and respecting other peoples choices. So I far prefer pubs and concerts etc that are smoke free BUT I do think that in cases where people can have a choice e.g. which pub to go to there should be smoking and non-smoking varities. Those that go and work in a smoking pub know the risks and can do what they like in that privacy. For general public events and gatherings where there isn't really a choice these should be non-smoking that's it.

In general I find smokers not to care about who they affect and the litter is a pain, our driveway has no pavement to the road but everyweek I end up picking up butts to dispose of them - why do smokers feel they can chuck these out of cars etc onto the road / pavement. DISGUSTING!

lol at people on benefits. You really have got people who smoke stereotyped, Poface.

if they ban smoking in public they should also bloody well start doing something about all the other major outdoor pollutants which altogether are making far more of a contribution to general ill health than the odd puff of smoke from a fag.

Actually DO something to cut down traffic, aircraft and chemical pollution etc, don't just blame all ill health on individual choices because that is just the tiniest part of it.

"What difference is a little bit of cigarrette smoke going to make to a non-smoker in this situation, especially after the smoke has gone into the atmosphere?"

Have you never walked behind someone who is smoking and got a lungful of their second hand smoke. It is one of the most disgusting things I have experienced and actually threw up in a bin when PG

Would be more than happy to see it banned but not sure how realistic it would be.

abouteve you're struggling now.

There are many people who smoke on benefits. There are many people on benefits who don't smoke. Nowhere have i said all people on benefits smoke dear.

Or that all smokers are on benefits

Yes to smoking dens, even to comfy smoking dens which serve drinks & food.

But I think cigarettes should ONLY be available for sale in said dens, & should be illegal anywhere else. And - remembering seeing kids coughing away when their caring parents took them into restaurant smoking areas - I'd limit admission to over-18s.

But I like the smoking helmets too

not a massive statement here but just recalling what has been said about benefits and smoking....

im a teacher and we were having an informal discussion at the school about healthy snacks being brought in,

half of the parents said they thought it was a stupid idea bringing fruit for snack do the teachers not realise there on benefits, and after the shopping and fags are brought theres no money for fresh fruit

words failed me

i kid you not.

That's it I'm hiding this thread.

disneystar thats awful i cant believe people would put cigarettes over their child eating healthily!

i know when we went to disney world in florida you arent allowed to smoke around the parks (which is outdoors) except in designated smoking areas which were pointed out on the maps for the smokers and were nicely hidden away from where most people and children would be passing by. i thought this really worked, my brother is a smoker so he went to one every so often and didnt seem to mind having to do that, and we didnt breathe in any 2nd hand smoke at all.

That's a great idea nicnacinoonoo, I wish they'd introduce it at Legoland!

LegoLand is a non smoking site apparently.There is only one designated smoking site. In all other outside areas smoking is banned. And it says on the site staff will enforce it. Is that not the case?

well we went to legoland sunday and we were sat on a bench watching the outdoor show, when a lovely man came and sat down and lit up

i told him and he stubbed it out, they put the rule there for a reason so they should stick to it
yes maybe they do enforce it PO

but he was trying to be sneaky round a corner

Oh GOOD. It's a couple of years since we've been tbh, but it's great that they've done that now.

What's also quite shocking is that disneystar is a teacher yet used the wrong kind of 'there' in her post above...

Breathing in second hand smoke is absolutely revolting regardless of whether it does harm or not.

lol im typing on here with a wriggly baby trying to get my laptop
im not being scored points for accuracy

loosen up lady ........

Now if only those short sighted people who cheered when smoking was banned indoors had actually thought it through...

It was SO great wasn't it being able to tell other people what to do.

But then you had crowds of people smoking in doorways and (heaven forbid!) in their own gardens, Your pubs started to close as they lost customers and now you are complaining again and wanting to require people to smoke indoors.

You can see why the Daily Mail see MN as a good place to gather content.