If the Tories come into power, tax credits could be axed :-O

[GlastonburyGoddess]

In the news today. Im appalled. Talking about how tax credits create a demotivation to earn more etc etc

Im disgusted, no mention of if it would be replaced with something else.

we both work, we get our wages at the end of the month and within 3 days its gone on bils, we then live day to day off the tax credits. we'd be f**d hope they dont end up in power....

Yes atlantis but the offshoot is that there are many of us who cannot work who will also be negatively affected as a brilliant method of saving cash an accidental side efffect

That's reality (and actually I am looking for wokrk but can only offer 10 hours with no recent reference as last employers closed before I went to Uni- who'd want me?)

But surely they would be good enployees if there wasnt the option to chuck in the job and return to benefits?

if they wont work then we need immigrants who will work, do the jobs and pay the taxes.

DH ahd to go weeks on no money at all years back because his employer wouldnt agree he'd been let go at end of trial period (he used to wrok for twats united) and that disqualified him frombenefits, has it changed then?

If you have unduagnosed mental health issues,low level SN, drink or drugs problems you will not make a good employee just becuase you can't claim, you will nick something instead. There was a massive fear amongst law enforcement of an associated rise in crime with the rcession- imagine that if benefits creased to be paid to many?

And besides, I am not willing to stand in front of a young adult in ten yeras and say 'Yes I know you were evicted several times over, had no warm clothes and nothing to eat, but I did choose to vote for the party that caused that because I think you Mum should work and I disn't give a damn what would happen to her innocent children if she was plunged into severe poverty'. I want to say 'I don't think your Mum made the right choices, but I beleive we protect children and the vulnerable at all costs including higher taxes and that is a sign of our humanity and so I voted for the aprty that gave her some financisl security so you could eat and have a warm home'

You can't do that, Squish, unless you are a lone parent.

If you quit your job voluntarily you'll be turned down for income-based jobseeker's allowance.

Or if the DWP determines that you deliberately cocked up your job to lose it.

You might get contribution-based JSA if you were sacked for such reasons, but that's only for 6 months.

But the problem is that there should be no option whatsoever to 'wont work' if there are jobs available.

Exactly, Peachy!

Expat - so there is no such thing as job - benefit ping pong as mentioned by a previous poster?

If only it were that simple, Squish. But it isn't. Particularly as the min wage is not a living wage and the system isn't set up to cope with seasonal or temporary or zero hours contract work.

No, Squish, not in the sense you think there is, except when it comes to lone parents, who are about the only people who can claim Income Support.

Otherwise, to get Jobseeker's, you must prove you are out of job for reasons that are not your own fault - job ended, made redundant, etc.

What do you mean "if they won't work"
if people refuse to take jobs availabe they shouldn't get benefits.

We are a working poor family ourselves. We've thankfully never had to be without work.

BUT we realise it's not as simple as a lot of people wish it were for many on benefits.

Squish thats just bolloks and denies the entire existence of wholke swathes of our community who cannot work- carers, the disabled (some not all obv), people with severe mental health illnesses.

And most of all I loathe the demonisation of single mothers. Because behimnd almost every one is a FAther who should damn well be helping out! A lone aprents is working in rearing their family- a very valid under rated role, it's their spouses / partners /ex's we should be targetting firstly, they can pay the taxes and cover their offspring.

If you can work you should, absolutely, but there are a myriad of reasons why people don't and quite often if you dug ahrd enough (and I know this through working in that sector) there's a real reason that never got picked up, sometimes solvable sometimes not (usually IME mental health related, a great many people on lifelong benefits have severe MHG issues).

If you just cast them aside nothing will change; what we need to do is understand why these poeple may make these decision so we can change them.

You still have to apply for the job and the employer has to want to hire you!

If a job is 'available', you still have to go through the application process.

It's not as simple as, 'This job is available, the employer will take on anyone we throw in there.'

Because well, that's not very fair on the employer, is it, to not give them teh choice of whom they hire.

Peachy maybe I was unclear. I am not referring to people who for various reasons (such as mentioned by yourself) I mean fit healthy people of working age who just 'wont work'.

I used to work in hospitality and my employer would favour Eastern European job applicants over the British, of which there were many, I should add. The reason being that they will work all the hours god sends, they don't winge etc. Of course they will work long hours until they come into the benefit system themselves then it won't be worth it.

If the Tories come to power ( and it's when not if) they will deffo cut benefits, so anyone relying on them......

good luck

What an awful post Ego, I really hope you never fall on hard times. I used to be like you and then life served me a much deserved lesson.

Thankfully I don't just read the daily mail in cafes, Reading the DM made me realize that most politicians really don't give a toss about people, that are makes you self sufficient. I don't ever want to rely on charity.

Ego,

and how many people who were reliant on DLA have Labour chucked off?

Anyone trying to get DLA now, or even reapplying are kept on hold for over 26 weeks and having to go to appeal.

My eldest son (the one who was paralysed from the waist down and had to learn to walk again) was denied DLA (even though he couldn't walk) we went to appeal it was granted for 12 months then he had to go to see a Dr who said because he could (eventually ) stand up ( although the poor thing still walked like a penguin and had pain ) he didn't need it anymore ! The caring side of the Labour party.

So sorry, your post is scare mongering about the Tories.

Ego,

"I don't ever want to rely on charity. "

you may not want to but there may come a time when you have to.

I think reading the mail has made you a deeply ignorant unfeeling person.

Actually Ego having reread your daily mail post I dont think you are trying to act like a typical mail reader and don't actually believe what you are saying.

I am off for lunch.

Sorry, on my phone, posts might be hard to understand, I'm not a Tory, but I read the DM. I don't expect any government to support me and my dc, Gordon brown is not the father of my kids. I left school with zero education, I am academically useless,... however, I live in a pretty smart area of London, my DC have everything, my house is worth half a million, if I can do it anyone can.

I have never had a penny in benefits.

That is very nice for you Ego, I also came from nothing and without wanting so sound like a Harry Enfield charcater I had an home in London which was worth condiderably more than yours and a lifestyle most people only dream of. I thought I would never ever claim benefits in my life. But then I became ill and lost everything, I didnt choose to be ill, it just happened. I now have a comfortable life and had to work hard for a number of years to get it. But thank God I hit the shit and had a rather nasty ride it has made me see how life is for people outside of my bubble/