"on MN this week" in the Daily Mail

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TBH I'd rather they put the roundup on the DM (a month later so we get to read it first ) I don't have the same concerns about that identifying me

Well, I agree with you to an extent saintlydamemrsturnip about publicity, but I'd like to know just how many extra hits came from that article. Was it worth the aggro?

And as an aside, (sorry, fecking scientist obsessed with numbers and statistics - but don't ever ask me to add up in my head!) how many registered users have MN got, and how does that compare to the number of mums in the UK? How many do they want?

StealthBear - your plan works OK except for those without CAT. Though that would be worth buying the CAT for, come to think of it....

And it may make the DM worthy of its 40p

Generally I try to avoid anything that will make Everyone Hate Me

Heathen, there would always be people without CAT or people who just don't check email - on holiday or whatever. But putting it in Active conversations and asking another person to check through I hoped would cover them.
I think what goes against it is the time it would take - the "article" seemed to be a 10-minutes-before-submission type. This would need a lot more planning.

Yeah it wouldn't be a nice job I suppose, in case you get it wrong. But I actually wouldn't mind the odd judgement call going the wrong way and as a one off stuff I'm slightly uncomfortable about going in. Just the fact that some sort of checks were happening would be enough

This is exactly like the Mothercare threads a few years ago.

I can hardly open a paper these days without seeing MN mentioned somewhere. It's hardly confined to the DM - and in some ways I'd rather someone just lifted rather than tried to interpret something I'd written in 2 seconds. Mumsnet is seen as the new representative of women.

Face it. It's 'the people's website'

ha ha ha.

Well tomorrows article will be some rivalrag naging on about this and DM and the state of journalism these days surely?

Sadly Dh no longer has a copy of each paper an hour after print closes, or I could say for sure.

Whatever it is now, there's nothing we can do. Accept it and hold back, take the risk or go- them's the options.

Oh, I forgot about those Mothercare threads!

yes, and that's why people are on moldies, dameturnip (fair enough imo). is LH on there?

the reason, as i said before, that it wasn't run past MNHQ before is because LH knew it would go down like a shit sandwich. that's revealing in itself.

that being the case, i genuinely don't understand why LH didn't ask the DM if she could change her name for HER privacy.

I felt sorry for LH, then I thought she could pop on here, say sorry people are upset, gotta pay the bills, of course she wouldn't be so crass as to pick anything too sensitive how dare we think it and then vanish.

She hasn't chosen to do that, and I don't know why unless she doesn't care what she uses or is scared (MNHQ seemed to think she'd be scared) which is odd, as we are all at the end of disatnt PC's and the wrost we can do is send her a (or call her a DM journo )

it's a hard life without booze

Aitch, I don't think LH cares about her privacy too much. From just a few minutes googling, it's pretty easy to build up a profile of her. She gives of herself rather a lot, I think one might say!

For those who followed Boilerwoman's thread, I can only imagine how devestating it would have been to her to see her painful and private story appear in the national press (though I am sure she wouldn't be a mail reader).

I don't feel sorry for LH at all, she knew what she was doing.

I know people from college - decent, educated, liberal people - who went into journalism. We have discussed this, I have seen their work; they are prepared to fake DM-type sentiments for the sake of getting published in the DM with its massive circulation. You know, in a post-modern, give-the-plebs-what-they-want way. It's rather patronising to the DM readers IMHO and really rather disturbing to me as I like to fight for my principles. Rather than sell them down the river at the first hint of a career boost.

oh pah. times are tight and the mail pays well. bread and circuses innit?

Bloody hell Aitch- are you trying to send the thread nuclear mentioning moldies as well. No, she is not on there.

How do you know it would go down like a shit sandwich with HQ? MNHQ have always come down on the side of publicity over anything else. They have made that perfectly clear over the years. Fair enough. It's their business model. Why on earth would they not want to feature pretty much untouched threads in a national newspaper? It will generate more hits each time that happens. I can't see the argument against from their point of view. If it was national front weekly, maybe, but many Daily Mail readers are going to be in their target group. Just as Mothercare shoppers are. They don't need people to join Talk- just look at the rest of the website.

no no, not with hq, but she'd have known that hq would throw it open and the response would have been NO. so, she didn't ask. meh.

the argument AGAINST from their pov that I can think of would be that (a) they are relinquising editorial control from their main asset i.e. the content which means that (b) they risk losing the trust of users if they allow editorial control to be relinquished and executed without sensitivity and (c) someone else could then have copyright over edited extracts of their main asset i.e. the content i.e. by publishing a column/book of Mumsnet content

plus other ethical fairy stuff

I'm going to bed now

Well, yeah, it pays the bills. If that's how you want to live your life.

In the back of my mind though, I hear a lady of negotiable virtue saying "Oh, yeah, that's so good baby. You do it so well... Tell me more about how immigrants bring down house prices...."

I don't see why MNHQ would want to lose so many posters (and they have, ones that provide the "quotes" for the DM) to sell out to the DM. I have to say, I wouldn't work with the DM at all, rather cut my own arm off. I'm pretty sure lots of MN's feel the same too so surely they should be keeping the ethos as people want? They really are losing lots of nice posters over this, people that keep the board interesting and alive. Numbers isn't everything...........

lololol. i bet you ANY MONEY that you work in a public service role.

...me?

yeah, what do you do, mrs principles?