DM Article - being anti-wife-beating is dangerous feminism

[PerArduaAdNauseum]

"Pupils as young as five will be taught about the evils of 'wife beating' and the need to form healthy relationships.

The lessons are part of a controversial drive, unveiled today, to reduce violence against women and young girls.

They will include teaching boys that they must not beat their partners or any other female.

Last night, critics warned that ministers are cramming the already over-stuffed National Curriculum with lessons that should be taught in the home or in the community."

Here

Sorry for linking to the Hate Mail, but followed a tweeted link and was so appalled I'm actually in the process of commenting on their website - once I've breathed in and out a few times...

As the comments include: "This is the reason this country is in the state that it is.
Because of feminism... This woman is an idiot, can she not realise it is people like her have broke-up the family unit . children have no respect for their famillies or other people, and girls are the worst these days for violence.

Now can we please remove this lot freaks with their so-called ideology NOW and give this country back to the people of this land.

• Lydia, manchester uk, 05/8/2009 09:20"

Maybe some of you would like to join me?

PerArdua - yes I think they are the same person.

Your point would be Per?

I have posted on many threads shall we check to see how many Atlantis has been on and how many of her/ his views I agreed with?

Maybe we both live in the real world.

Sonic - where the hell does Greensleeves stand up for the rights of paedophiles? Please use people's actual words when you're making that sort of accusation?

"There will always be those who want to cram our school curriculum with social issues that need to be taught by parents and society."

Surely schools are a large part of the society in which children grow up in. You cannot realistically separate one from the other, so why shouldn't schools be advocating healthy relationships?

Yes, I meant to apologise to Greensleeves for the second accusation, it would appear I had my posts crossed and it was another poster who claimed paedophiles were misunderstood.

I apologise Greensleeves.

This is bloody stupid! Since when was greeny standng up for paedophiles?

And what has swearing got to do with swearing? It's a parents website, not a child's one.

What has swearing got to do with it being a parenting site I meant to say.

Schools are not social workers. Teachers are not there to teach things that should be taught in the home ie; relationships and being a good 'citizen'.

Let primary teachers get on with the job of teaching reading, writing, math and science with a little art thrown in and we may not be the laughing stock of the world.

It's all very well and good teaching them how to have relationships and bringing up babies but when they leave primary unable to read and do math something's gone wrong.

Which poster was standing up for paedophiles? I do hope that private school is teaching your DCs better reading skills than that Sonic

apology accepted

I do think it's curious that people think social education - rights and responsibilities - is "claptrap". Clearly we CAN'T rely on parents to teach thoese things to their children - if they do, great, no harm done by having the school reinforce it. And in many cases being given the opportunity to explore these ideas at school fills a gap for children whose families are not doing it for whatever reason.

Do you really send your children to private school because you think they will receive a purely academic education with no personal and social component? I find that very strange

Also by debating and learning about these vital social issues at school, the children are learning and developing their understanding and their views as an aggregate as well as as individuals - it's an incredibly valuable social teaching opportunity. I expect my children's school to provide this aspect of their education in addition to my own influence on them. Education is about equipping children for the challenges of modern life - passing exams is one of those challenges, but there are plenty of others and schools can and should play a role in addressing these.

So on the basis of that Sonic, you'll scrap cookery classes (the mother's job) carpentry/DVT (the father's job) geography (the satnav's job) history (the telly's job)...?

I don't think we are the laughing stock of the world.

As a child that was fully aware of all the horribleness of domestic violence, and my childhood was ruined by it.

I still do not want MY children's only chance at some sort of care free innocent childhood blown wide open because someone has an agenda.

My children will be taught the values of the God that people on this thread so openly hate.

More time should be spent teaching children how to care properly and respect other people, filling the head of a 5 year old with fears about domestic violence and other stuff of that ilk will only cause fear and distress.

I don't believe in God. So neither love him or hate him.

But Donny - who's saying that they'll be filling a 5yo's head with fears? Who's even saying that it will be addressed that young? Surely the point is to promote the importance of a healthy relationship, and talk about what that means to people? And if that then means some poor kid sticks their hand up and asks if it's OK for their father to hit their mother, then hooray for that opportunity to intervene...

I don't think anybody is proposing to fill children's heads with fears about domestic violence though. What is being proposed is that primary aged children be given the opportunity to begin understanding adult relationships and the need for mutual respect. How can it be negative?

I think children's innocence is lost through the inculcation of fear/shame/secrecy around issues like sex and relationships, not through honest age-appropriate information and the opportunity to discuss and explore ideas.

I'm also not openly hating any gods here - don't see any relevance to the discussion tbh

I don't hate God. Neither do I hate pink elephants. Not too keen on red herrings though

I give up.

LOL Greensleeves

Good

...although I would say that any social edication programme would be hard-pushed to rival the Christian doctrine's exemplary track record when it comes to filling the heads of small children with unnecessary and irrational fears

Per,

I think you have the wrong end of the pointy.

A s far as I am aware they do not teach those subjects to five year olds (except at easter when the put a bar of plain chocolate in the microwave, pull it out add some rice crispies and call it a 'nest').

As for carpentry being the 'fathers' role, try telling that to my husband who could not put up a shelf if his life depended on it.

I'm not just talking about 5yos, I'm talking about the curriculum in general. And DS has already brought home 2 bread rolls and 3 lots of biscuits...

really? Your children's school doesn't teach any of those subjects to foundation stage children? What do they do, recite their times tables?

money for old rope