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Breaking news on Sky - A primary school child has died of swine flu (london)

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poopscoop · 13/07/2009 13:37

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/07/2009 19:49

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I believe those estimates range from a normalish seasonal flu death rate (0.4) to a rate similar to that of the 1918 pandemic (which is often quoted at 2%) they are planning figures for likely best case and worst case scenarios.

moosemama · 13/07/2009 19:56

My perfectly healthy 4 year old ds nearly died from flu that went to pneumonia very quickly last December. It was truly terrifying to see him get so ill so quickly.

It just goes to show though that otherwise healthy children can die from seasonal flu.

He was seen by one GP and two out of hours doctors, each of whom sent us home telling us to keep up his fluids and give him calpol, we were practically begging them to help him.

It was only when he saw the same out of hours doctor a second time and his temp was still over 40 and going up that they decided to rush him into hospital.

He is fine now, but I am worried that he will be more susceptible than others as the pneumonia caused an abcess in his lung, which I assume will have caused some damage to the lung itself.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/07/2009 20:01

what a horrific time it must have been.

Spidermama · 13/07/2009 20:15

I nearly died from pnuemonia a couple of years ago. I have asthma. Perhaps more worryingly, DS2 is T1 diabetic. We've had cases reported at both the infants and the juniors. Initially I was wondering if it might be best to catch the disease while it's still mild, but now I wonder.

I'm a bit scared tbh and I'm never normally scared by health issues.

moosemama · 13/07/2009 20:18

It was awful. I was 38 weeks pregnant at the time and had just been told they wanted to do a cs that week because dd was breech. I spent the next 7 days with ds2 in an isolation room at the hospital watching him deteriorate. He had constant diahorrhea (although after not eating for a week he was only passing foam and acid) and I had to carry him to the toilet myself every time. It was only when they changed his medication after a week that he started to turn the corner.

Apparently it was probably the fact that we managed to get him to keep sipping fluids that helped to save him. He would only drink watered down apple juice, but the sugars in that along with the fluids were vital.

He went from a healthy gorgeous happy 4 year old to a weak skinny little thing that was in age 2 clothes and regressed to baby speak and tantrums. He was totally traumatised by the whole thing, suffered terrible nightmares for months afterwards and has become needle phobic thanks to a junior doctor completely messing up his canula insertion - twice!

He is back up to strength physically, although a lot of his hair has recently fallen out (apparently this is common about 3-6 months after severe illness) but we still see the emotional, psychological effects even now.

Sidge · 13/07/2009 20:28

It's also possible that there is over-reporting not under-reporting. In our local area people are claiming they have swine flu when in all probability they have a cold, or a gastrointestinal upset. (Obviously I'm not talking about confirmed cases).

With all the heightened awareness relating to swine flu, people may be overlooking other illnesses that can be fatal such as meningitis, pneumonia, etc. If you phone your GP and say "my 1 year old has a fever, respiratory symptoms and vomiting" you may well be told - here's a prescription for Tamiflu, off you go and self-isolate. But those can also be symptoms for meningococcal disease.

It's a bit of a double edged sword - we need to be vigilant for swine flu but remember that it's not the only illness/virus around and be alert to other possibilities.

whomovedmychocolate · 13/07/2009 20:31

moosemama - that is awful

OYBK - that's the thing though - very few people die from flu itself -they have heart attacks or pneumonia or another side effect and quite often that's what gets on the death cert.

So I guess we will never know what causes what - sort of doesn't matter does it - if you are going to die as a complication of a routine infection (and the flu is still a routine infection most people get at some point regardless of it's type) you are just as likely to die from another mostly mild disease if you don't get it.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/07/2009 20:34

moosemama I'm so sorry that you had to go through that.

Sidge, you are very right. even simple things like bacterial tonsillitis are going to get missed.

moosemama · 13/07/2009 21:05

Thanks WMMC and OYBK.

One thing I learned from it is not to just accept what the doctor says. If your gut feeling is that its serious go straight to hospital and cut out the middle man especially with children, insist they see a paediatrician. Hopefully if we all do that it won't be so easy for them to miss things or misdiagnose symptoms.

edam · 13/07/2009 21:06

Oh Lord have really put my foot in it. One of the dads at school is a GP who has been off work with a bad back for a few weeks. Was talking to his wife and mentioned BBC news were saying a GP had died in our local hospital and mentioned the name - dad turned up just as I was saying this and said 'that's my senior partner'.

Bloody hope there are two doctors with the same (fairly common) surname in the town. But surely the surgery would have phoned my GP friend at home, even if he has been off sick? eek.

Spidermama · 13/07/2009 21:28

Oh good God edam!

Don't worry though. If it is the same man he's going to know one way or another pretty soon isn't he?

FAQinglovely · 13/07/2009 21:39

where was the 17th death?? I'm slightly confused - or is that possibly the one that Blu was talking about? Earlier there all the reports about the doctor and the little girl were saying it was bringing the total to 16. Now they're saying 17.

ElfOnTheTopShelf · 13/07/2009 22:13

Having had issues in the past with doctors treating DD, I do worry about this. My local surgery missed tonsillitis last year in DD (she was just three at the time), it was Xmas eve and they told us to take her home, she kept getting worse and there was just no support from anywhere (docs closed, nhs direct, and the walk in centre).
Eventually we were told by the NSH direct to take her to the walk in centre, who then referred us to A&E as an emergency, where she spent Boxing Day night in hospital, she was dehydrated and in lots of pain. They missed bronchillitis when she was three months old as well, said it was just a reaction from the jabs she'd just had, and ended up in hospital.

With both me and DD poorly last week, I found it difficult knowing what to do / who to see. NSH website says all children under five with flu symptoms should see a doctor, but the doctors didn't want anybody there with flu symptoms.

morningpaper · 14/07/2009 10:23

This child's death sounds quite shocking. The Mirror says:

"Chloe, of North West London, apparently complained of a sore throat last Wednesday and her GP gave her Tamiflu. But she got worse overnight, was rushed to hospital and died the next day."

Very very quick. It's very sad.

morningpaper · 14/07/2009 10:27

(Actually some papers are reporting that she wasn't given Tamiflu and the GP diagnosed tonsillitis)

Upwind · 14/07/2009 10:30

Reporting on sky suggests Chloe had heart problems

JustineMumsnet · 14/07/2009 11:16

Thread hijack alert! Just done an interview for Radio 4's World at One trying to represent our thoughts re Swine Flu - 1pm today if you feel the urge to listen - but don't feel you have to .

morningpaper · 14/07/2009 11:21

Well done Justine. My thoughts about it are largely hysterical, run-for-the-hills thoughts. I hope you did some suitable screaming and hyperventilating on my behalf.

PheasantPlucker · 14/07/2009 11:29

Great, will tune in

whomovedmychocolate · 14/07/2009 12:23

Justine - did you mention the (quite sizeable) population of Mumsnetters who are a bit 'meh' at the whole thing?

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