Teacher questioned over attempted murder of pupil

[Frasersmum123]

This happened near to me

(And you were warned you couldn't just repeat anything the police said, even in an official statement - if it was contempt, you/your publication would be responsible.)

so will more detail come out after the trial then? . actually im more intrested in the wee boy..... hope he recovers.

Lots of detail will come out during the trial.

"for those whose whole sympathy is with the teacher"

Is there anyone on here whose whole sympathy is with the teacher? I think most of those who express concern about behaviour in schools, have every sympathy with the child whom the teacher attacked.

well said bella!

Of course I really hope the boy recovers. It would be great (if unrealistic) if he was 100% better. His poor mum, especially being 9 months gone! It's such a sad situation all round.

has there been any neas on haow th epoor lad is?

For the record, I think it is relevant to talk about one's own experiences in relation to this incident.

I don't think anyone on here has said that the boy was asking for it, and I don't think that talking about personal experiences implies that. Most, if not all, people have expressed utter sympathy and concern towards the child and his family.

Nor has anyone condoned the actions of the teacher involved.

I think what all our experiences highlight is how inefficient the schools are in dealing with this. There isn't enough support for stressed teachers. Warnings signs are not picked up on, cries for help go unheeded.

This man was off with stress and had just returned. You'd think that he'd return with the full support of the school and extra support staff around to ensure that he, and his pupils, were coping.

Many of us are pointing out that this tradgedy could have been avoided and that a huge chunk of blame should lie with the school and the education system as a whole. There is a lot of pressure on teachers and nearly no support at all. The whole system needs a damn good shake-up. But in the meantime, no questions are being asked in the media. It's just being reported as a teacher gone mad, whereas I'm sure the truth is a lot more complicated and I do fear that unless more probing questions are asked, this incident will happen again, in another school.

tragedy I can spell!

a lot of the posts are about children attacking teachers and the bad behaviour of children.
so no I don't see the revelance as there has been nothing said to lead us to believe the victim had attacked a teacher

It depends whether we're focusing on this one case or on making sure it doesn't happen again. I know you are always very focused on the victims, 2shoes, and I applaud that, but there's also something (a lot, in fact) to be said for trying to reduce the risk of there being more victims in future.

We can feel desperately sorry for this boy all we want, but there is sod all we can do to help him, and it's likely to be very difficult for even the medical experts treating him to be able to say how he's doing for some time so there's not much to be gained from endlessly speculating on how he is. Trying to work out where the existing system has broken down may help ensure we're not all here feeling desperately sorry for another child in a year or two.

If, in general, teachers are placed under huge amounts of stress and are not then supported on their return to teaching, then the system is actively creating a risk of more victims where there needn't be any.

PortAndLemon thank you your post makes a lot of sense, but why not do that on a thread with a different title, that way it wouldn't look like it was any judgement on the boy in this case.

Because then we get a McCann situation, with a dozen threads all starting "I know there are lots of threads on this already, but I want to start this new one to discuss this very specialised new angle on the subject"

Because if someone does that, another poster will still pop up on the What Is To Be Done thread to say "I think this entire thread is quite shocking, actually. Surely the important thing in all this is the boy who was actually injured and you're all a nest of unfeeling heartless pinko liberal vipers?" and then it will turn nasty.

Because people will end up cross-posting to all twelve threads with "I can't remember which of the threads on this mentioned [subject X], but I thought this [link to something or other] was interesting and relevant.

Because it's one of the nice things about Mumsnet that a thread can go off in all sorts of different directions, often at the same time.

this is hardly a massive thread. so I can't see that would happen. all I meant is if people want to discuss problem pupils surely another thread would be better, that way there would be no connection to this incident.(which considering most post arn't connected would hardly hurt)

But what is this thread for 2shoes but to discuss the incident and the circumstances surrounding it? We can't surely fill a thread with 'oh dear how dreadful' can we?

It isn't discussing problem pupils though 2shoes. It's discussing the things that add to the levels of stress that have led to a worrying number of my colleagues saying that they can see how this horrible thing might have happened. Not justifying it, but perhaps understanding it.

Admittedly it has focused very much on pupil behaviour, whereas my stress comes very much from admin and management issues rather than my dealings with the children themselves, and I do think that perhaps we would be in a better place to deal with the behaviour issues if we hadn't been up at 2am writing yet more schemes of work to fit the new framework that have to be in by the end of term . I know I would. But behaviour is sort of the last link in the chain. The final straw.

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