If Nadal pulls out of Wimbledon and Murray wins

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people will say

it is only because Nadal wasn't there
he isn't British anyway
etc
etc

push them up, pull them down

OMG- really?
That's what happens to people called Buster.....QED I'd say.....

Yes! That's what I always remember about Buster Mottram, but was too scared to say in case it wasn't true and I had imagined it.

It sounds as though he was from the 1930s but it was only the 80s or poss late 70s.

Buster Mottram looked like he was from the 30s with his short back and side and bushy moustache.

What I remember about his tennis is that he never chased down any balls. Unlike Andy.

'As for the silly comment about his aggressive style of play ...'

Not silly, just fact.

Borg wasn't aggressive, neither is Federer, both were/are hugely popular. Nadal isn't particularly aggressive either and he is also well liked.

Odd that.

So what is your definition of aggressive?

In the context of professional tennis, it's all the behaviours that Murray exhibits: inane punching of the air, flexing of biceps, teeth-baring and so on. All down to personal style I guess but the cooler approach of Borg and Federer didn't/hasn't stopped them reaching the very top.

Hope Federer wins anyway!

I think the teeth baring is just the makeup of his face. Loads of non-aggressive people smile in this way.

The muscle flexing he did last year during the hard-court season in response to his critics who always said he was too weedy with no stamina (again, not letting go the Andy who joined the tour as a gangly teen). I don't think he has done it this year.

I think his punching of the air is quite conservative, tbh. And they all punch the air when they win a hard point.

It's just personal preference.

I'm old school and prefer the more gentlemanly approach as opposed to the modern football terraces approach.

Perhaps Murray will mature each year but I just think Federer has the full package and sets a good example.

Football terraces? Where did that one come from?

You never been to or seen a footie match? It's all shaking fists, teeth-baring and self-congratulatory yelling. And that's the crowd and the players!

A football match with self-control and modest gratitude would be odd, I grant you.

I've never been to a tennis match that resembled a football match.

The worst is in the US where they pass hotdogs and beer along the rows - but they are equal opportunity disrespecters - they don't care who is playing.

I think you are living in a parallel universe, whips.

Football and tennis have different traditions and come with different etiquettes which is why I've never been to a football match that resembled a tennis match.

I guess in your universe, there is no difference between the behaviour of a footie crowd and that of a Wimbledon tennis crowd.

Huh? You really have lost me.

The only football matches I have been to have been prep school ones, so come to think of it, there is a bit of a resemblance.

But I really do not get why you might be equating a Murray Masters tournament as if it was an Old Firm match at Ibrox. I really don't get it at all.

Maybe the antics for French fans are still on your mind, as they do get quite involved with chanting and Mexican waves, but I don't think this has anything to do with Murray or that they even did it for Murray.

I would actually say, that going by the Queens tournament, the crowd were overly conservative when Murray was playing.

You really should judge Murray on his amazing shots and his fitness rather than his reflex facial expressions, his teenage faux-pas before he was media-trained, and your perceived (false) behaviour of his spectators.

You wondered why I originally mentioned football terraces...this reference was an allusion to the (standard) behaviours that take place at football matches (by the players and the crowd) but that are now being exhibited on the tennis courts (by players like Murray, but not by the crowd). My view is that these behaviours are out of place on a tennis court.

I prefer Federer's approach and his calm and collected style hasn't hindered his ascent in any way.

I guess that's also a judgement on Federer

I think you need to give up, whips. You are talking rubbish.

Just look at the evidence of Murray's play. He is fab.

He has beaten Federer in all but one important match.

He does not have a cow named after him. He does not have gold embossed kit. I think that might be what puts me off Federer.

I know Murray has just had to do a fashion show for the Fred Perry centenary, but I been really impressed that he hasn't preened himself too much with his own brand kit. Those RF trainers do me in. Why does he lower himself when he is already a mega millionaire?

And I think you need to have a little tolerance for fans of a player other than your beloved Murray!

You've expressed your reasons for being put off Federer and I've expressed my reasons for being put off Murray.

I have not put down anyone at all. I have not said anything about fans of individual players. I mentioned US fans (for their hotdog habits) and French fans (for Mexican waves) but I was clear that they did the same regardless of who was on court.

Are your really reading the same thread as me?

I only mentioned latterly about an aspect of Federer's package that I find distasteful, whereas you have much deeper issues with Murray, including his basic facial features. I think Federer is a fine player to watch and no doubt he is an all-round nice guy.

I wouldn't want anyone to see me out of breathe, let alone on camera. But my apologies if I have to open my mouth in order to get enough oxygen in those situations.

I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it odd that you wouldn't support your own countryman and actually want a foreigner to beat them. Especially for the reason that they breathe with their mouth open when they have been exerting themself.

"inane punching of the air, flexing of biceps, teeth-baring and so on"

you mean like \link{inane punching of the air, flexing of biceps, teeth-baring and so on\this}

or perhaps this

or maybe this

and last one this

They're all as bad as each other in that respect LOL.

arghh first one should have been this (I think) (there were so many to choose from displaying all of the above )

'You really should judge Murray on his amazing shots and his fitness rather than his reflex facial expressions, his teenage faux-pas before he was media-trained, and your perceived (false) behaviour of his spectators. '

I support Federer for his amazing shots and his amazing fitness, his maturity and his sporting grace.

It's great that Murray has got such a good fan in yourself.

Oi scienceteacher are you mummy murray?

"I support Federer for his amazing shots and his amazing fitness, his maturity and his sporting grace."

Amazing shots - yes that's lots of the top players these days
Amazing fitness - again - plenty of fit men on the tour at the moment
Sporting grace - well yes except for his little tantrum in Miami .

Come on none of them are perfect - how many of their matches do we get to watch (unless you have SkySports?) not many really compared to what we see on the news. Of course there are those that get a real reuptation for having a particular character (McEnroe - sp anyone LOL). But generally none of them are perfect - we just see the the face the media wants to show us, and the media face that the players put on.

Personally I'm hoping Cara Black can add another Wimbledon Doubles title to her belt

(oh and of course some British success would be nice too)

None of them are perfect but let's face it, there'd be no fun at all if we all supported the same player.

I thought Borg was great in his day, for pretty much the same reasons as why I like Federer today.