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Margaret Thatcher's in hospital,Is this the beginning of the end? How will you mark the day? Black arm band or party 7.

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Cowwomanmoo · 14/06/2009 00:40

After looking at the news about Mr T I found my self on wikiquote.

Classic:

In an interview with George Negus for the Australian TV program 60 minutes, the following exchange occurred:
Negus: Why do people stop us in the street almost and tell us that Margaret Thatcher isn't just inflexible, she's not just single-minded, on occasions she't plain pig-headed and won't be told by anybody?
Thatcher: Would you tell me who has stopped you in the street and said that?
Negus: Ordinary Britons...
Thatcher: Where?
Negus: In conversation, in pubs...
Thatcher (interrupting): I thought you'd just come from Belize
Negus: Oh this is not the first time we've been here.
Thatcher: Will you well me who, and where and when.
Negus: Ordinary Britons in restaurants and cabs
Thatcher: How many?
Negus: ...in cabs
Thatcher: How many?
Negus:I would say at least one in two
Thatcher:Why won't you tell me their names and who they are?

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ABetaDad · 15/06/2009 08:29

Yes defintley a one sided arguement and I suppose that reflects the one thing about her that everyone really agrees on.

She polarises opinon - she always still seems to be either loved or hated and very little in between.

Bucharest · 15/06/2009 08:36

BigGitDad Exactly- Thatcher decided to avenge Ted Heath's defeat at the hands of the miners -and by extension the labour movement- (small L) by systematically destroying the latter, taking down the former with it as collateral damage.

That the mining industry was already on its uppers (my dad being the 5th generation of miners in his family) cannot be denied....what could have been done though was some kind of forethought as to what all these families, who for generations had worked in the mines going to do...In my Nottinghamshire town, when I was a teenager, the boys either stayed on at school, or went down the pit. And now? 20 -odd years later? They stay on at school or stand outside the precinct with their girlfriend's buggy while she nips into Iceland and this is the second generation to have done it.

Thatcher also liked the idea of putting the nail in the coffin of the mines so that Britain could use all that lovely North Sea gas and oil instead....and now that that's on its uppers, as you say, we unfortunately are looking to Russia....(the irony, given Thatcher and her commie-bashing- that we now go cap in hand to them for help)

That's one part of her legacy.

Another is that I went to university and my parents never had to pay a penny for it. (My Italian dp can't understand why that would happen under the Tories and yet under Labour, people have to pay.....)

I don't like the woman. She hasn't become sweet ol' Miss Marple just because she's old. I hated her in the 80's, but that was de rigeur. I threw eggs at her, and went on marches. (and laugh at my teenage angst now)

I'll see her passing much as I did that of the Queen Mother. Old people die. Dying makes them neither saints nor sinners. I don't think the history books will see her legacy in an altogether positive light. She's not going to be treated like Churchill. (her war wasn't quite grandiose enough, for all the engineering of it and lies she told during it)

AitchTwoOh · 15/06/2009 09:24

that's because the people who express an opinion either did really well or really badly out of her policies, abd. she only cared that there were enough english voters doing well to keep her in power, the rest of us could go to hell.

daftpunk · 15/06/2009 09:34

amen

< aitch..i've been laughing all weekend @ egg griffin sounding like a decadent meal >

twelveyeargap · 15/06/2009 12:15

I wonder how many of the (London based) socialists who mourn the demise of the coal-miners unions in the 80's would feel the same way if a prime minister orchestrated the demise of Bob Crow and the RMT?

I imagine there are quite a few fair-weather socialists about. The Tories of the 80s inherited a black hole economy from the previous labour government, iirc and whether you like the politics or not, MT brought the country back from the brink. Tough decicions were most definitely called for.

Don't forget that her tough stance was tough on the IRA as well and she led the way for the first Anglo-Irish agreement.

I have a lot of respect for any successful woman in a man's world, but she also has many notable achievements besides.

dittany · 15/06/2009 12:31

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HerHonesty · 15/06/2009 12:41

twelveyeargap i remember being in a meeting with a labour special advisor who asked me if there were still coal mines in wales. silently i wept!

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wannabe10 · 15/06/2009 12:46

I hope she doesn't have a state funeral a la fanfares and weeping........
I am a miners daughter
Build a bonfire
build a bonfire
Leon Brittan on the top
Maggie Thatcher in the middle
And burn the bloody lot
I was kicked out of the brownies for repeating this!!!!!

hobhey · 15/06/2009 12:48

what a horrible tasteless thread!

Bucharest · 15/06/2009 12:50

Have you read the whole thread Hobhey?

We've actually moved on from discussing her eventual demise and are discussing her legacy....it's quite interesting ack-sherly.

HerHonesty · 15/06/2009 12:50

i have say i really feel a state funeral would be step too far. riots me thinks...

Bucharest · 15/06/2009 12:55

I don't think she'll get one.
Last one for a non-royal was Churchill wasn't it?

AitchTwoOh · 15/06/2009 12:57

if she pops her clogs under labour i really cant see it.

ABetaDad · 15/06/2009 13:06

There are a lot of horible tasteless and personl comments on here - but it has moved on to her legacy which is an interesting and legitimate discussion.

edam · 15/06/2009 13:09

'tough on the IRA'? yes, with her ridiculous broadcasting ban that meant TV news had to dub Gerry Adams. Because OMG if the public had heard his actual voice we would all have flocked to his cause.

In case you hadn't noticed, it was Mo Mowlem, Peter Mandelson and Tony Blair who were in government and managed to steer the peace process through (of course NI politicians were key, just contrasting central government administrations).

Blimey, what next, Maggie gets the credit for Obama's election or something?!

AitchTwoOh · 15/06/2009 13:11

honestly, so what about the comments (not that i can personally see so many of them)?

she's really not reading the forum, having largely avoided her children and with her grandchildren in the states or south africa or wherever that corrupt son of hers is hanging out these days i can't think she'd be on her as a grandparent.

when she's dead can i PLEASE speak ill of the dead, seeing as we're not allowed to while her cold heart's still beating?

edam · 15/06/2009 13:12

seem to remember the idea of a state funeral being floated when Blair was in power. Of course he'd be in favour, Thatcherite that he was.

State funerals should be reserved for figures who command national respect. Not someone who tore the country apart, set North against South, inflicted the poll tax on Scotland because there weren't many Tory seats there so she could use them as guinea pigs, etc. etc. etc.

AitchTwoOh · 15/06/2009 13:13

this is actually getting me wound up... lord i detest that woman. hell will mend her.

GetOrfMoiLand · 15/06/2009 13:14

Well I think that SEA made the most useful comment (she has only hurt her arm).

Wrt the rest of the thread - very poor taste to celebrate someone dying. OK imo she was a nasty piece of work, however why should her death cause celebration? She has been out of power for near enough 20 years.

My family are somewhat to the left of Tony Benn, I grew up with an imbedded hatred of the woman, and remember cheering at school when she was ousted (our RE teacher told us, he had buggered off to the staff room for 20 minutes to watch the news! As you can imagine most teachers were highly delighted ). However I would not even consider feeling happy that she has died. Is a bit inhuman.

Bucharest · 15/06/2009 13:15

edam- That was so bloody ridiculous with the Gerry Adams dubbing wasn't it? I mean, what was that all about, really?

GetOrfMoiLand · 15/06/2009 13:16

A big fat NO to a state funeral though. That would piss me off.

OracleInaCoracle · 15/06/2009 13:16

totally agree with aitch and edam. there are many, many things that thatcher can take credit for, none of them good.

edam · 15/06/2009 13:18

Spite? Like so many of her actions...

It really does boggle the mind that there are people who demand compassion for Maggie. SHE was very clear that compassion was a weakness and a waste of time. Surely her supporters understand that?