Madonna Loses Adoption Bid

[Nancy66]

Malawi court has turned her down because she did not adhere to the residency rules.

There was an article after she adopted David that explained that in Africa that orphanages are often seen as a kind of foster care - often children go into an orphanage because the family can't cope, but they expect to be able to take the child back when they get back on their feet. So the child might not be "left there to rot".

I personally think that Madonna is the last person who should have biological or adopted children. Just because she comes over as so self-centred. So there!

Madonna should accept this decision with good grace and pour some money into improving the condition of orphanages in Malawai.

I agree that she's too old. Sorry, but she is. ALso, she reinvents herself so often that I'd be afraid that this maternal phase could pass, it could be a reaction to her recent divorce......

I'm sure that David Banda will have a better life in the UK, but I don't think Madonna and Angelina do 'normal' people attempting to adopt any favours.

Also, Madonna has ignored one of the guides to adoptive parents, ie, not to try to adopt a child older than a child you already have. Mercy is 4, David is 3. Apparently you're not supposed to do that.

Genuine question, why does Madonna attract such criticism for this and not Angelinda??

I have read somewhere, that she had come across Mercy around the same time David, but was not allowed to bid for adoption of both children at the same time....can't remember where I read that though....

The vast majority of children in countries such as Malawi have lost their parents to disease. The country is in poverty. People do not tend to give up their children for financial reasons. They are used to living in poverty, and manage. But when they are hit with disease (mainly AIDS), they are physically unable to care for the child, and the child goes into an orphanage.

Madonna has piled many thousands of not millions of pounds into Malawi, funding schools, water aid and growth assistance amongst others. And, in this particular case, the Uncle of this little girl actually signed off the adoption and said he knew his niece would be better off.

When people come to adopt from Western countries, generally the villages are more than happy, they are grateful and treat the adoptive parents as royalty. Certainly this is what I have seen and in the case of my friends who worked in Rwanda for 3 years, and later adopted their child from there.

Reach4sky - because people like Angelina.

No average couple ever face this kind of criticism either. I am not even close to being a Madonna 'fan', but I still see her as a person, a woman and a mother, rather than whatever the media make her out to be.

I think it is really rather shallow to think she is not a caring mother because her public persona is a little cold. Thats her job.

she should trying living in Malawi for a few months first and see how she gets on looking after her own kids there, rather than swanning in and thinking that she's doing a great job by hauling a child out of their natural environment. she's like a child in a sweetie shop, thinking she can have anything she wants in life. what a sad state of affairs.

DSMM - but your friend worked there for three years! She knew the country and the people and she followed the rules. That's completely different to Madonna.

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And yes, they worked there for three years, but moved back to the UK for 2 years before they even began the adoption process.

I know it isn't the same, and I know she didn't follow the rules, and whilst I am not, and would not argue that it is right for her 'fame and fortune' to allow her to break the rules, I do hugely disagree with a lot of the horrid comments that have been made on this thread.

She tried to fast-track the system with her name, and money. She wasn't allowed, fair play.

However, this as a slight on her abilities as a mother? Unfair.
The suggestion that she shouldn't be adopting children from abroad when there are children in need here? Unfair.
The fact that she has nannies being a bad thing? Unfair.
The suggestion that she is adopting children as a fashion statement? Unfair.

Whoops! Very sexist of me, sorry.

ha bloody ha!

children are not accessories.

having money and demanding 'but i want it' doesn't mean you are going to get 'it'

again, ha bloody ha!

ha bloody ha!

children are not accessories.

having money and demanding 'but i want it' doesn't mean you are going to get 'it'

again, ha bloody ha!

"Madonna has piled many thousands of not millions of pounds into Malawi, funding schools, water aid and growth assistance amongst others. And, in this particular case, the Uncle of this little girl actually signed off the adoption and said he knew his niece would be better off."

Has she personally pile that those millions in - or has the charity that she set up done it (genuine question).

And also - it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a little back hand "agreement" between the Uncle and Madonna's lawyers to persuade him to do that.

she did personally give money, as far as I have read....

i am not a fan of madonna. and i agree that she should follow the correct procedures on adoption

but wannabe is right. it is NOt easy to adopt here in the Uk

and there is no evidence that children adopted overseas woudl be better off staying in institutions in their own country

I would feel so sorry for the little girl, I mean she is 4 not a baby. If Madonna did adopt her she would be taken from the only home she has known for 4 years, given to this wacky white woman who will have other Nannies to look after her, none of whom speak her language and have other siblings around too, talk about a total culture shock

I believe she personally has, though I think someone said earlier on the thread that she has also set up charities so presumably there is a lot of money going there that she is not directly responsible for.

Again, I am going to reiterate my point here - yes, she may have tried to bypass the legalities because she thought she could with enough money, perhaps she thought maybe if she donated enough she wouldn't have to wait a year and a half. Whatever happened, she was wrong, and she didn't manage to adopt the little girl.

I still don't think that, regardless of how she went about it, it should be a slight on her as a mother.

Imagine a 'normal' person started a thread on here:

I have been trying to adopt a baby from Malawi, it was all going well, the adoption papers had been signed over from the orphanage, and I was asked to live over there for 18 months. I tried to contest this as I have 3 children already and didn't want to uproot them. However, sadly it was declined and I am now unable to adopt the little girl'

Would you all say 'ha bloody ha', and 'you shouldn't be adopting from a foreign country', or 'you don't seem maternal anyway, you have a nanny', you are 'strange and selfish' and ' you are 'collecting' African babies like some sort of fashion accessory'

Would you honestly?

But it's okay to say about someone you don't know, cos she isn't here, and you've already formed opinions on her.

But maybe she was hoping she wouldn't have to, given that she has three other children who are settled in school or nursery to consider.

I am not saying she should have been allowed to break the rules, I don't think she should! I am simply defending the vile comments that have been made about another mother.

I think its quite sick. No one here knows her, so to make such judgements and comments.. Urgh.

I glad that she hassn't been able to break the rules.
but do feel sorry for the child who might have formed a bond with her.
just goes to show that money can't buy everything.

Reach4sky - I'm also very alarmed at Angelina's decidedly dodgy adoptions too.

At 50 years old I don't think anyone should be allowed to adopt. My understanding of UK law (which is limited in this area) is that it wouldn't be approved, and I thought all adoptions into the UK had to comply with domestic law as well as the child's country of birth.

No, I wouldn't say ha ha, but I would say I was sorry but rules are rules.

Madonna's age is one of the things that bothers me the least. She's fit and healthy and very likely to leave another 30+ years.

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