Daily Mail U-turn on MMR (astounding hypocrisy)

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How the middle-class MMR refuseniks are putting every child at risk

Has the Mail forgotten their role in this?

Blimey.

(PS quite suprised this hasn't already been posted. I did do a search, but couldn't find anything.]

By their behaviour?

Do you mean not taking up the MMR or others things generally?

Loads of things

Aw come on I can't pick holes in that LOL

I think it operates on twolevels: you can throw every stat at me, I'll understand them well enough (did stats as part of the Psych modules in my first Uni year) but I will stillaslo look at ds3 who regressed post MMR and think- not for me, not with our history (2 with asd).

Stats are only part of the picture; personal experience completes it and is an important one also.

What a hidious article.

I agree with abetadad on some points - I cannot understand why the govt doesn't just bloody license the single jabs, they would have a far higher take up that way. Many parents who are suspicious of the MMR would take up free single vaccs like a shot - I know I would.
MMR has been a PR disaster and that's what's led to the rise in potentially dangerous measles cases imo. Wtf is the problem with licensing the singles?

I don't agree however that everyone should be forced to have the vaccs - people like Peachy and Riv have good reasons not to want them. I honestly believe uptake of single jabs would be high especially right now with all the media hype re the epidemic. People WANT to protect their kids but are scared they might damage them instead.

re "measles parties" - In my childhood, these were very common. Not a "party" per se, but mums would send their children to play with a child with measles.

Not "so that their children can catch the 'better' wild form of measles", but so that their children can have measles at an early age & have lifelong immunity.

Flightattendant- the gov hasnt refused to licence the vaccines, they just refuse to offer them on the nhs

oh I see littleducks - why is that though? Do you know? It doesn't make sense to me.

(Bte I was told by our practise nurse that she was unable to even discuss them with me due to them not being licensed here?)

But FA, the notion of single vaccines is based on bad science. The govt should not condone this - but everyone is welcome to fund them themselves.

Could you explain that please scienceteacher? I'd be really interested to know as all I've ehard thus far has been about how they are potentially more effective given singly.

Thanks!

The rationale about separate vaccines has nothing to do with efficacy - it's to do with bombarding the immune system.

However, the immune system is bombarded every minute of every day - every time we eat, move around in the are, touch anything etc. The body is used to, and capable, of dealing with thousands of microbes at once. It does not behave differently for potential pathogens.

hijack!! flight!!!! how are you!!!

Is that right? How come children react like they do to the MMR? Usually there's a reaction about a week later I think.

Sorry just genuinely curious, not being funny iyswim - I want the singels for ds2 as he had measles already.

good good are you on msn or shall i start a new thread

plus...why are the single vaccs recommended to be given several weeks apart for maximum efficacy?

I was always bad at science sorry

MM I'm not on MSN haven't got it, it screwed up my pc last time I tried!

Will catch you in a min. if you're about. x

Injecting three potent viruses at the same time is slightly different than some measly bacteria a toddler will lick off a toy, though, isn't it?

There is no peer-reviewed clinical data that gives an optimum time between separate vaccines.

You've really got to understand the motives of the people who are dealing the info, and try to understand the science behind their claims.

We need MartianBishop here - I am a lowly physical scientist (but passionate about evidence).

Thankyou, I miss MB too

I guess if the singles were available on the NHS it would eliminate the profit factor which would be nice.

Vaccines are designed to be non-potent, and why should they be different to non-pathogenic, or mildly pathogenic, microbes. The body's immune system kicks into action the same way with each. It can deal with 1000s of different microbes at one time.

oh I like physics teachers

I had a good friend who was one

but i don't think she is a mum yet so she can't be you!

What do you mean by profit factor?