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TheRealPhartiphukborlz · 18/02/2009 18:23

what if anything have you told your dc's???

have been trying to avoid them knowing, but as we are near to where he comes from one heard it mentioned on the news.

i just brushed it aside as chav behaviour having babies too young.

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MarmadukeScarlet · 20/02/2009 10:09

Yes, sorry I agree with you, that was badly phrased.

I was just surprised at the description.

Lets face it, no self-respecting parent would have treid to make money from the situation either.

Teens have sex, teens get pregnant, it happens - but they don't all have parents who call Max Clifford. (He is very short in real life which always makes me feel better when he is being odious)

cory · 20/02/2009 10:14

I have known middle-class parents with no self-respect. And working class parents with a great deal of it.

MarmadukeScarlet · 20/02/2009 10:22

Yes, as do I.

I have already apologised .

cory · 20/02/2009 10:36

we can both agree that the father is a bastard, whatever else he may be

MarmadukeScarlet · 20/02/2009 10:46
BabyBaby123 · 20/02/2009 11:09

these people are not working class - that is the point I was trying to make yesterday. They are in a different league all together - to call them working class is a huge insult to working class people.

and cory - to call my comment one of the most stupid you have ever seen on MN is a slight over reaction imho

seeker · 20/02/2009 11:15

I was going to agree with cory about the "surprised at him being from a middle class background" being the stupidest remark I had ever read on mumsnet - then I remembered "i just brushed it aside as chav behaviour having babies too young."

Close call - can't decide!

BabyBaby123 · 20/02/2009 11:18

i am surprised - he isn't going to school fgs!! Not many middle class parents are in court for allowing their children to not go to school - a few, maybe but not many. The boy did not even know what the word financially meant and he is 13 years old. I did not say he is working class - I said these people are in a completely different league imo

georgimama · 20/02/2009 15:26

I don't think the amount of money people have is indelibly linked to "class". There are some incredibly ignorant, uneducated, rich people (the average lottery winner or premiership footballer) - I wouldn't say they were middle or upper class.

There are people who you can't describe as anything other than middle class or even upper class who haven't two beans to rub together.

The family is vulgar that's probably the best way to put it.

sazzerbear · 20/02/2009 15:29

Putting aside the fact she's underage, why would a girl want to have sex with such a young baby faced boy? Is that not a bit weird?

mloo · 20/02/2009 15:33

At age 15 some would say that "the girl" is indeed still a child herself.

sazzerbear · 20/02/2009 15:36

I think she's old beyond her years!

cory · 20/02/2009 15:45

Georgimama there are also people whom you can't describe as anything other than middle or upper class who are still capable of making some incredibly stupid decisions for their children, capable of the most blatant money-grabbing, and of precocious sexual behaviour.

It's just that if the family has a certain level of education/a certain quality to their vowels, then they can behave as vulgarly as they like and people still won't be muttering 'oh, that's typical of chavs'.

Tiggiwinkle · 20/02/2009 15:45

God what a horrible judgemental thread! And Baby, I am with Cory-Middle class cannot equal thick? What a ridiculous statement!

georgimama · 20/02/2009 15:49

No, you wouldn't call people like that chavs, but one would call them vulgar too. I would anyway. I don't think most people admire other people just because they have a posh accent, I'm surprised if that is your experience.

As an aside I do think the clothing worn by the family (particularly that hoodie) is pretty chavvy.

BabyBaby123 · 20/02/2009 16:45

of course middle class people can be thick!! My post was badly put together - I did not say she can't be middle class because she's thick - I was posting as I thought it - and that is that she comes across as thick (as does he)

donnie · 22/02/2009 10:21

well did anyone see yesterday's Guardian? there is an interview with Max Clifford, in which he says for his money Alfie is NOT the father of the child. OO-er!!!!

CoteDAzur · 22/02/2009 12:41

I wouldn't say it's chav, but I would think it [honest]

Is noone here telling their DC that these kids didn't have to have a baby, that they could have had an abortion? Mine is too young even to notice the news, but I'm curious.

cory · 22/02/2009 12:50

That would depend on the age of the child, Cote. I wouldn't talk about abortions to my 8yo, because he would find that very disturbing and is a bit young to take that on board.

But a teenager, yes I think that would be something that should also be mentioned. You'd have to think about how to talk about it, how you actually think about it. (In fact, I think I have mentioned abortions to 12yo dd.) My take on it is, it is a possibility, sometimes it can be the best option, it's not something that you can enter on lightly, or be careless because you think 'oh, I can always have an abortion if I get pregnant'.

compo · 22/02/2009 13:38

did you see what he had on his tshirt reported in the papers today 'I'm the daddy. If I'm not F**k you all'

what are his parents thinking?

CoteDAzur · 22/02/2009 13:58

cory - I agree age is an important factor.

My current plan is to talk about the morning after pill to DD very soon after she reaches puberty. I don't know what it's like in the UK but here in France anyone can buy one from a pharmacy, no prescription or parental consent required.

cory · 22/02/2009 15:25

Compo, it's been pretty clear from the start that his dad is thinking of the money. And his chance of making money is keeping his son in the limelight. By any means

cory · 22/02/2009 15:28

Cote- I will talk about the morning after pill eventually. But I thought just after my dd reached puberty was a bit soon. Hopefully, at 10, she would not yet have many chances to be sexually active.

(have spoken of the risks of over-early sexual involvement though)

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