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TheRealPhartiphukborlz · 18/02/2009 18:23

what if anything have you told your dc's???

have been trying to avoid them knowing, but as we are near to where he comes from one heard it mentioned on the news.

i just brushed it aside as chav behaviour having babies too young.

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stramash · 18/02/2009 23:25

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2250059.ece
Chav/non chav doesn't matter ; what sort of parent lets their kid go out in this FFS ?

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TheRealPhartiphukborlz · 18/02/2009 23:30

omg
that can't be for real though

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Ninkynork · 18/02/2009 23:51

I heard that Alfie is going to join Fathers 4 Justice. He already has a Spiderman costume after all.

MarmadukeScarlet · 19/02/2009 09:57

at judge saying that Alfie should live his life and return to school in the normal way, erm his mother is appearing in court next week for not ensuring he attends school.

Not hugely surprised at the horrific hoodie tbh, about par for the course.

lunamoon2 · 19/02/2009 12:04

Well for what it is worth my dd, who is 12, asked her dad how he would react if she had an unwanted pregnancy and he said he would be very disappointed that she had potentially thrown away her education and chance to gain a career, university, experience life without having to consider a child, posssibly end up as a single parent etc etc.
He also said that we ( her mum and dad) would not be able to look after the child because we both work. She would then be left literally "holding the baby" is that the right term? and that it is not a good idea at all.
I was very prode that he had explained this very well to her, without laying down the law.

georgimama · 19/02/2009 12:30

"all this lovie talk [sick]...oh it's a chance to talk about "relationships".....no...it's a chance to say...look at that utter crap family....thank god we're not them!"

I'm with daftpunk.

I haven't actually told DS anything because he's 2 and only interested in Thomas and Tractor Ted.

pagwatch · 19/02/2009 15:33

but that presupposes it has to be a fluffy wuffy converstaion about that stuff - which is total crap wrong

I talk to my son about relationships - ie try and
make sure that you start having sex it is with people you like and respect so that you don't end up being a parent alongside a woman/girl you don't know or like. Make sure that you are having sex when you really want to and can deal with it responsibly.Don't fuck around because how can you possibly know if you are shagging a girl who thinks that if she gets preganat you will fall for her. And when you have sex then contraception is totally and entirely your respinsibility as you cannot possibly know how well any girl/woman manages her contraception or would tell you honestly about it.... etc etc

why is that such a bad and apparently sneer worthy idea?

TheyCallMePeachy · 19/02/2009 15:35

Kay go for it, why not!

Ds1 is9, and we'reprobably the 'chavviest' family in a very non-chavvy school. So its not somuch looking down as lookingafter. His emotional and social development.

BCNS · 19/02/2009 15:47

Ds1 (13) bought this up after watching the news.. by saying.. " well like that's just wrong.. I mean how is he actually going to look after it.. like.. urm.. he's my age .. but looks younger... what a numpty!"

bought up a general chat with all of the dc's whilst I was cooking dinner.. which is the way we tend to natter about all of these sorts of topics.

BabyBaby123 · 19/02/2009 17:23

this is terrible - they both look like they are pretty dim tbh - the parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their children to behave in this way. I'd be surprised if he is the father tbh, he looks very under developed to me....

myfunnynametaken · 19/02/2009 17:37

I'm afraid I agree with the OP. If my dcs ask, I too will brush it off as Chav behaviour, not something that need concern us.

cory · 19/02/2009 18:00

It is possible to say (as I did) that I think that the parents were neglectful, that the children were silly and that I expect better of you without bringing the whole chav thing in.

mloo · 19/02/2009 18:41

I don't understand the Need to typecast something as "chav". The term was originally popular to describe a certain dress style, and how can we equate the potential disasters of early teen sex with naff fashion ideas? Not even comparable.

BabyBaby123 · 19/02/2009 19:12

you must understand what people mean by 'chav' though, surely? it's just a way of describing a certain type of behaviour.....

I would say that these people are not even chavs though - they are an underclass - which is a sad reflection on society today

namechanger101 · 19/02/2009 19:14

so what makes someone part of an underclass?

namechanger101 · 19/02/2009 19:16

the boys parents are not on benefits, they have an expensive house, they certainly dont live in or near poverty.
the mum is from a very middle class background, went to an excellent school.
none of this is what you usually call underclass

BabyBaby123 · 19/02/2009 19:20

i would say it is more to do with behaviour and morals than whether or not they are on benefits. I must say though, I am surprised he comes from a middle class background.... the girl in particular came across as very thick in the interview i saw

namechanger101 · 19/02/2009 19:24

its interesting how people judge based on whats printed in newspapers like the sun. Dont get me wrong, the parents have behaved terribly by selling the story, but the newspapers have certainly told it how they see fit, rather than truthfully.

BabyBaby123 · 19/02/2009 19:28

what is the truth though? whatever way you look at it, it is depressing and a sad reflection of a large minority of society today imo. If I am honest, I find the whole thing physically repulsive

lockets · 19/02/2009 19:28

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TheyCallMePeachy · 20/02/2009 08:59

I all relaity ntil the DM print equally lurid headlines about every gir of this age who gets pg to a slightkly older but still underage Dad I acn't get that 'excited'.

It's sad, more the lack of prospect that leads to something like this, but there are somemums around who have been fanntastic teenage mums (a few on here) an I am just hoping that in a few eyars timethat's wwhat everyone is saying about her.

I hope the baby has a goodlife. A baby is always precious and wonderful.

cory · 20/02/2009 09:26

BabyBaby123 on Thu 19-Feb-09 19:20:03
"i would say it is more to do with behaviour and morals than whether or not they are on benefits. I must say though, I am surprised he comes from a middle class background.... the girl in particular came across as very thick in the interview i saw"

This has got to be one of the most stupid comments on Mumsnet ever!

And incidentally, it is why I object to the term chav. Because however much we try to deny it, it is class related, and it is based on the idea that certain types of stupid behaviour are confined to the lower classes.

If the daughter of the professor of numismatics gets herself knocked up- noone is going to call the family chavs, are they?

I knew some perfectly well educated teenagers from respectable families who were having early sex in the 1970's (yes, teenagers were at it in the olden days!!!). Pure luck, not absence of chavisms that those condoms didn't break.

I also knew some middle-class families who were as thick as you make 'em; in fact, I still know some of those.

What is unusual and nasty in the present case is not the social class or the age of the mother (the father admittedly is very young), but the attention-seeking and money-grabbing attitude of the boy's father. But attention-seeking and money-grabbing is not exactly confined to any one social class in our society, is it?

TheLadyEvenstar · 20/02/2009 09:38

I have a 10 yr old son and I have not even attempted to "sheild" him from this, he saw it on the front of the paper and his reaction?

"Oh for gods sake mum you seen this? another child ruining his life"

MarmadukeScarlet · 20/02/2009 09:51

Middle Class my eye - no self respecting middle class parent would allow their 13 yr old son to have had made and wear that offensive hoodie, teenage father or not.

cory · 20/02/2009 09:58

Marmaduke, no self-respecting working class parent would have allowed it either. The operative word is not "class", it is "self-respecting".