itv news in a min somethi9ng abtou absent fathers who do not provide child maintenence could lose thier passports and driving licences?

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has someone been reading my mind, and could they please add 'cut off his legs' to that.

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In Australia 2 missed payment and an attachment of earning's order is issued which means their employer knows they are a cnut, it's linked to NI number so they cannot work legally and not pay.
DD was born on the Thursday, I had the first payment via CSA on the following MOnday, the UK could learn a lot.

They do need to have a look at the system. I don't want to cause any offense to people with real a-hole exs. I know of people who've had babies with a man and then refused to have anything to do with them. I know these cases are very much in the minority but I do think that they should be taken into account.

connie of all the smug decending vinditive comments I have come across on mn yours has topped my poll.

thats good to know

Connie your comment was horrible.

Do you think that any sane woman would go and out get pregnant by a man they knew was going to become an absent father and refuse to support their child? I don;t think so.

I certainly partake in a spot of "Ex bashing" on mumsnet. I need to let off steam as I find my Ex's behaviour so "challenging". I am trying to do my best for my DS and keep his relationship with his dad going as it is in DS' best interest.

Ultimately most women seek maintainence from their children's father as they want what is best for their children, what is so wrong with that.

Connie say your husband left you would you not expect him to pay some maintenance to your children and you would never ever bad mouth him?

Herbietea - the whole system needs a shake up. To make it fairer all round. But someone like your DH wouldnt be affected, it would affect those that literally pay nothing towards the child.

I agree with you that parental rights in this country can be terrible (my dh has had years of struggles with ex over access of DSS). But access is a different issue though needs to be addressed.

'parental should read paternal' (though perhaps they all need to be look at again)

Oh FFS Connie, I didn't see that other post - are you actually a real live human being? I can't believe anyone like you actually exists in real life, reading that.

Jeez woman grow up.

Sounds like a daft idea to me.

I think Germany(??) has a system where the Govt. pays the maintenance to the parent regardless of the ex's employment/financial situation and recovers the money directly from them.

connie, you should try to remember that pride usually comes before a fall.

if my husband left me I'm sure he would want to contribute.....but I am also finacially responsible for my kids. Something the csa and some posters seem to forget.

I wouldn't want to take so much money off him so that he could not afford to live. Single parents get alot of extra help from the state so I imagine I would be the one in the better position than my husband.

Making fathers destitute is dreadful and I do think the csa does this.

how on earth is taking 15/20% of their income to support their CHILDREN making them destitute???

Of course if the take months/never send the forms back they end up with huge backpayments to make, and if they don't make the payments they get back payments.

However, if they genuinely can't afford the amount the CSA has said they can appeal.

Admittedly the system is far from perfect (and I certainly don't agree with taking away passports and driving licence from non-payers) but I think saying that asking a man to contribute to his children is making him "destitute" is a bit

tis bollocks that the csa make fathers destitute. The main reason people (men and women) get into financial difficulty through the csa is if they build up large arrears and then end up with liability orders and such like. Hardly the fault of the csa if someone can't be bothered to pay towards their child's upkeep.

Australia has a great system. They look at both parents circumstances which i think is fair.

REMO is the agency that collects maintenence from parents living overseas. If your ex lived in Australia and didn't pay he could have his passport confiscated, driving licence taken away and even end up deported. I have no problem with that.

I can agree with the passports in some respects but if it inhibited a person from working - even abroad - that's not a positive step. Re the driving licences, if they are that 'dead-beat' as the Gov suggests (terrible word to use about someone's father) are they going to really worry about having a valid licence? No licence could mean no work = no or little child maintenance. A vicious circle.

It all seems a bit knee-jerk reaction to me whereas had the CSA been set up properly in the beginning, they may not have had all these problems.

'Making fathers destitute is dreadful and I do think the csa does this. '

Do you honestly believbe this?????!!!!

I have an ex who pays £10 a week out of approx £500 he earns

another who pays nothing due to the fact he was so abusive I asked the CSA not to contact him, to protect us all from his abuse

How about them making their children's parents destitute in an arguable vast majority of cases?

Will you do some research.

destitute fathers??

now I appreciate that to an extent academic studies can find in anyones favour on any given day, but I'm happy to share my experience of using parcel tape to stick my sons shoes together, or the nights I haven't eaten tea, so my kids can have more. We've never been on holiday together as a family, Destitute fathers? right. not in my personal experience.

It's very difficult for everyone even single mothers of five like me who work full time and don;'t get oaid 0.01% never mind 20% and had to pay out to the man because I earn so much!

Plenty of men end up with very little money and the woman gets the house and gets the children and not content with that limits contact too. Everyone knows the raw deal plenty of men get but they cause their own problems. Every time they marry a woman who earns less to flatter their little ego and everytime they enjoy the convenience of a housewife or part timer during the marriage they pay the price on divorce because guess what they then earn more than she does., TYhe solution is in their hands - never have a housewife and always marry a woman who earns more than you but they never do that, do they?

What is a fact though is men who could only afford 1 or 2 children with their wife go on and have another family they cannot afford with someone else. They shoudl instead say - hey I can't afford this and not breed further. If they do the first family shoudl always come first in terms of resources.

Xenia So what are you saying? Remove their passports, driving licences and testicles?

ROLFLMAO @ Swedes last post.

I nearly choked on my fag (yes I know it's bad for me blah blah blah)

Thats brill news my x is a Prohibation Officer and needs to drive as part of his job.

What would happen if they leave their jobs? he told me he would rather claim benefits than pay me anything.

SeaShells - if he left his job and got benefits he would have to pay you £5 a week

I acn't imagine he'd rather claim benefits than pay you for long, any dickhead could do the maths and realise that 80% of his wages is more than dole and he'd only get it for 6 months before being asked to prove he was looking for work.