2 children (3mo and 3yo) stabbed to death in manchester

[santapaws]

Just reported on news. Mother arrested, 21 years old. For the second time today and its not 9.00am, i am having to type, god bless those two innocent little children. My heart breaks for these poor children, they deserve better.

RIP

xx

I agree it was just a statement of facts. I think if you're sensitive about it you're probably best off hiding the 'in the news' topic.

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Just flicked onto the Orange website and the title of this thread is pretty much the main headline in their news section which pops up on the home page. Its news,sometimes it's fun, sometimes - like in this case - it's tragic. Our children are going to and may already have seen much worse and to be fair, if they can read then maybe it's not such a bad thing that they can read some things - it's not all a bunch of roses out there, we can't wrap them in cotton wool.

The mum has been sectioned and it sounds like she was having a breakdown but no-one had been help to prevent this awful tragedy.

The world isn't getting worse, we just hear about it now, if you had somehow missed it on the news you'd probably see it on another medium, the paper, on a forum, the radio.

And don't be so pathetic to pick on a thread title, its a fact and there is no point sticking your head in the sand , what are you going to suggest next? The news drop their headlines in case you don't want to hear what is said? Maybe you could ask them to pick out the nice bits and just report them.

Oh iv started another thread on this, didnt see this one.
My titles a little nicer than your though

Erm, where's the OP then?

The mothers been sectioned under the mental health act. Although what she did was disgusting, she may have been in a very very bad place.
Its all round.

How it seems the mother was having a breakdown what a shame no one stepped in to help before this happened!

Apologies to all upset, this was obviously not by intention. Did actually consider putting - upsetting news story, but how would that differentiate from all the others.

Ruty - Now its my turn to be offended. Voyeuristic - i consider this subject to be neither sordid or sensational, and seen as it is not for my own sexual gratification, then i find your comment insulting.

Granted, i could've worded the title better, but for you to suggest im sensationalising it, offends me deeply.

Santa, voyeuristic is not necessarily associated with "sexual" gratification in the way that you can be described as voyeuristic rubbernecking at a car crash so i am sure Ruty did not intend it in this way but for what its worth, she was way off when saying you were being voyeuristic by discussing this awful tragedy. It is what helps people come to terms, talking about these issues, we can only begin to learn or understand this way. It was clear from your OP that it was sadness not sensationalism.

Thanks jojosmaman x

i think often these kinds of threads do descend into voyeurism [nothing to do with sexual gratification] and the way the titles refer to gory details are often a good indicator of how they will go. perhaps this thread isn't like that but i for one am sick of seeing gory details about dreadful things happening to children in the news section.

What, Ruty, so we should ignore the facts then? Isnt it that sort of attitude that contributes to this type of tragedy? I dont want to see gory details so im going to pretend its not happening!

No-one enjoys reading gory details of what horror happens to some children, but I think its important we DO know the facts, however uncomfortable reading it may be, because it is through this, that we all might be able to do something, however small, to help these innocent children and their families.

xx

I agree that people are being over sensitive.

Its isn't nice to see thread titles like this but then nor is it nice to see it on the news.

Some peoples RL titles don't make nice reading - should all things that may be upsetting to someone be 'sensitive topic, delicate souls beware' cause that could make MN a v dull place.

well there have been many threads where this topic of gory details in titles have been discussed so we'll just have to leave it there.

just dont click on.

The fact that the mother has been sectioned under the mental health act probably means that she was extremely ill. She may have had absolutely no understanding of what she was doing.

Mental health services are absolutely cr@p in this country due to underfunding. The scandal is so called "care in the community" rather than an evil mother. What was criminal was the complete utter lack of response from the police to the GPs phone call and social services discharging the family in their time of need.

I actually feel quite sorry for her as well as the children. She will have to live with this for the rest of her life.

I think this has nothing to do with a 'decline in society' or any other such daily-mail-reader bollocks. It sounds very much as though the mother was severely mentally ill (postnatal psychosis or some other psychotic illness). Maybe she should have had more help faster, maybe her illness escalated very suddenly (as such illnesses often do).

the mum was sectioned under MHA which requires 2 doctors and an ASW an Assessment mental state

she will be detained and treated compulsorily.it is an arduous demanding process

by nature of being detained and sectioned,the professional opinion is that she is unwell.she will proceed through criminal justice and psychiatry

this was not the case off any of the defendants in babyP case.they proceeded through criminal justice pathway only

The mother needs treatment and a fair trial. What she doesn't need is trial by media or mumsnet.