Russell Brand, Jonathan Woss and Andrew Sachs

[JoolsToo]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3263328/Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-joke-radio -phone-calls-just-werent-funny.html

Have we not had a discussion about this? I'm surprised.

Seedy, sordid, unfunny little men pad obscene amounts of money to be obscene.

What's your view?

how gracious you are in error, moomin.

"it's going a leeeeetle bit OTT to suggest they were OUT TO GET HIM."

jesus, it's a bad night when I get the quotation-marks out twice in a row but..

No-one is saying they were out to get him. People are saying that they saw the book-to-promote thing and recognized an opportunity to be amusingly misogynist.

You know, the starting-point is that JR knew that RB had 'had his gd'. That's why JR says 'don't hint at that' when RB tells AS that he respecks him 'and his progeny'. The whole freakin thing is built on the idea that JR and RB sit around discussing who RB has 'had', like hunters.

mabanana has made some good posts on this topic. I am shocked at those who seem to see this as a storm in a teacup and cannot see the bigger picture.

I don't even think Sachs has anything to promote. JR&RB said they were phoning to reminisce about Fawlty Towers, not that Sachs had a book or dvd or anything out, which they would have done if he had. The fact that the very first thing RB said was about his 'progeny' says it all about his real motive, IMO. It's so....creepy...

Thanks Purits - I agree with you too!

Mabanana said it better than I could but it's sort of what I was driving at.

"I think there is a pent up feeling that people are tired of casual rudeness and cruelty, of obscene abuse passing for humour, of the grotesque lad culture even in middleaged men and general unkindness - and this has hit a nerve."

Have you seen the Satanic Sluts?

So there isn't even a book to promote, and they have just cruelly pretended to be interested in AS in order to amuse themselves?

It's all a bit 18th-century.

Aitch, she was bewitching, imo.

I'd give her one.

And talk about it on the radio

LOL, ITV are running it as their first item.

RB answering all questions with "Hare Krishna"

The wonder is that anyone wants to go to bed with him at all. He is so slimy

omg it looks like it's snowing in London.

Who is Betty Kitten?

I've had that Manuel as well. Scrubs up a treat in a leather thong. Kept shouting ?Que? at the moment of orgasm.

This has put me of both of them tbh Apart from anything its not actually funny and they are paying JR a big wedge of the licence fee to regurge the same old every friday night and saturday morning

I had that Osama as well. Tickly beard.

Just seen news at 10 report of this - methinks the bbc acting quite cynically in all this and are actually quite pleased at all the publicity

And another thing: I LOATHE JR's vicarious-pleasure in women being 'had' by his mates. Loathe it.

He invariably invites testimony of other men's 'conquests', and iterates the freakish idea that women are the enemy of men, and must be humiliated, and that the best way to humiliate them is to fuck them.

He's a huge and (crucially) mainstream cultural figure now, not some kind of edgy comic. He's articulating the anxieties of the average misogynist fuckwit, as though the average misogynist fuckwit doesn't Have A Voice. But the average misogynist fuckwit's concerns are driving culture/society to quite the same degree as they have always done.

Who here has actually heard the broadcast? If you had heard it you would know that Mr Sachs was invited on to discuss his involvement in a show called The Bill made my career or something like that. Jonathan and Russell were saying they didn't know he was in The Bill and that surely Fawlty Towers had made his career. Its interesting that none of you knew that fact, which leads me to believe not one of you has heard the full interview. How can you have a go if you haven't even heard it?????!!!!

Hullygully - no idea where you have come from but your posts have cheered me up a treat!

if it was for a tv prog then he was doing the interview as a favour to the publicist, poor bastard.

i'd read the transcript and didn't understand that bit as it wasn't at all clear.

I refer you to my post of whenever, where I made the point that they would not have chosen AS's promotional moment (amongst many sad PR opps of that particular day) had it not been for the fact that RB had had his GD..