Russell Brand, Jonathan Woss and Andrew Sachs

[JoolsToo]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3263328/Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-joke-radio -phone-calls-just-werent-funny.html

Have we not had a discussion about this? I'm surprised.

Seedy, sordid, unfunny little men pad obscene amounts of money to be obscene.

What's your view?

aargh - I don't mean I agree with them doing it! I mean, I agree that this is what was happening, and it's really horrible!

littlelapin - since it was jonathan ross who made the offensive comment sureley he should be expecting an apology from J Ross more than from R Brand!

Was just going to say the same thing Beanie! Hey, are you on facebook? Don't worry, I'm not a weirdo. Just wanted to direct you to a facebook site you might be interested in.

I think J ross's comments shouldn't have been broadcast. I think this kind of humour is ok and I would go so far to say that if my dad (when he was alive) had a phone call from someone he knew, whos comedy he knew, of that kind he probably wouldn't have been upset.

What's the facebook group? I'll put the link to mine on my profile!

Its called Russell Brand on BBC Radio 2 I think. Just do a search for it on facebook. It has about 5,000 and odd fans. You have to become a fan to get in. However there are load of other groups on there too of course.

I'm sure people have said this already, sorry...

but the thing which I loathe most of all is the huge misogyny of the idea that they have 'disrespected' A Sachs by fucking one of his females.

That possibly wasn't their 'idea'

Hmm. I think it was the motivation for JR's initial 'he fucked your gd' and for their mock horror at the insult they've offered AS. AS himself seems to be aware of this when he says that the apology is owed not to him, but to his GD.

it's very much the underlying theme, beanie.

Onebat, no the disrespect is not having sex (or possibly not) with Baille, it is phoning up her grandfather gloating about it in obscene language which they KNEW (and hoped) he would find distasteful at best.

Jools (I love you too btw), if my Dad received a call like that about one of my girls I'd be furious. I'd get hold of Jonathan Ross, wait outside Radio 2 for him and have it out with him. What I wouldn't want,and what I object to is that everyone else would be discussing it. That the papers would be making it their lead story, that news agencies would be discussing it, radio shows having phone-ins about it and so on. I'd hate JR to be personal in that way about my daughter to my dad, but I'd consider it private and would take it up with him and the BBC and be happy with that tbh. I'd get over it pretty quickly. I would not want everyone else making such a song and dance over it, making me, my DD and my dad feeling far more awful about it than we would ever have it had just been left alone. IMO it really, reallyb isn't that newsworthy. It's spiralling out of control and I think it's way OTT.

I agree - but underlying that distaste is the idea that men lose face when another man has unauthorised sex with one of their womenfolk.

The pair of them should hang.

Jonathon Ross being paid £6 million per year.

What the fARK.

Disgraceful. If my Father who is 76 should hear such chat, I would be really embarrassed.

hangings too good for em, surely?

I love the way that some of you think this is all jolly japes because only two people complained straight after the show. This just tells me something about their audience and what they consider acceptable. I'm not offended as it wasn't directed at me but I am disgusted. They didn't even just phone the woman in question, they targeted a man who had absolutely nothing to do with it.

This whole episode just shows a complete lack of respect for anyone and a lack of dignity and really illustrates how some people are, and that's what really pisses me off. I wouldn't behave like that, nor I should think would any of you but we're all supposed to laugh our socks off when someone else does it because Brand is 'funny'.

And it is our business because we pay these people a lot of money apparently to harrass people. Four telephone messages remember, not just one. I hope someone has the courage to bring them down a peg or two. Otherwise this just reinforces the fact that it's acceptable behaviour, and it isn't.

Horrid things to say, wrong to broadcast it - imho they should all be sacked and other more interesting presenters & better bbc staff given jobs.

get dem glistening torches!hold dem high!lets mosey over to ross/brand place for some whoop-ass

I don't think it's jolly japes cos only 2 people originally complained. I just hate how the media have whipped this up to a frenzy. I think it's all getting totally OTT. These presenters are paid to be the way they are, they are supposed to be controversial, but they crossed a line. They should have their arses whipped and sincere apologies made. I don't think they should be sacked and I think there are much bigger issues for people to worry about. I think this whole thing is bigger than it should be.

Hear Hear Thomcat. Well said!

ScottishMummy - that's offensive, I think.

which bit the whoop-ass or torches.sheesh wasn't like i phoned anyone and said it...was it

your metaphors are a bit mixed - you seem to be talking in comedy 'negro' voice about a lynching.. poor taste, anyway.

And in any case, it is not the case that RB and JR are easy targets, or the victims of some kind of Kerry Katona-esque witch-hunt. They fucked up, revealed themselves to be contemptuous of the feelings of AS and his GD, and offended many people (their female demographic for a start).

So we shouldn't call them to account, for fear of victimizing them?

Yes, they are bad.

Bring back the stocks.

I think there is a pent up feeling that people are tired of casual rudeness and cruelty, of obscene abuse passing for humour, of the grotesque lad culture even in middleaged men and general unkindness - and this has hit a nerve.