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Remember the poor baby who was denied milk for 18 hours in Yarls' Wood?

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edam · 10/10/2008 18:44

Can't find the original thread, but I was one of several MNers who complained to my MP about this story

Anyway, my MP has replied. Meg Hillier, a (very) junior minister at the Home Office, says they got lots of letters and the Border Agency's Children Champion Jeremy Oppenheim, is reviewing the case and has arranged to meet Alison Blenkinsop from Lacatation Consultants of GB.

Ms Hillier says 'I am confident that any recommendations resulting from these measures will be fully considered and, where appropriate, implemented.'

I suppose at least the protest has forced them to think about the way this poor child was treated. BUT nowhere does it say that anyone has apologised to the family, or that anything at all has changed.

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policywonk · 10/10/2008 18:46

Well done for kicking up a fuss, edam. The way people are treated at Yarl's Wood is a fucking disgrace.

Buda · 10/10/2008 18:51

Crikey! I missed this at the time but that is bloody inhuman. We are supposed to be a civilised country FGS.

Sickening. Well done edam.

nooOOOoonki · 10/10/2008 19:09

Edam, that is brilliant of you to go out of your way, Maybe follow up with another letter and point out that you would like to know whether the family has recieved an apology and that you would like to be kept updated with any further develops.

SaTanicGore · 10/10/2008 19:14

Well done edam.

Original thread

edam · 10/10/2008 19:31

Sounds as if quite a few people protested, which is good news. Although Hillier is a bit snotty about it 'some of the contents of this correspondence have been reproduced and discussed on internet sites leading to further public interest'. Ooh, get us, discussing things in a troublesome internetty manner...

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policywonk · 10/10/2008 20:07

Public interest!! How cheeky of us. It's not like we pay her wages or anything.

phdlife · 10/10/2008 20:12

oh good god, she should know the internet isn't just for shopping!

yay you, edam, you force for good, you

theSuburbanDryad · 10/10/2008 20:17

The family have received no apology.

Serco seem determined not to accept responsibility for their mistakes or for the subsequent failure to communicate with people who were advocating on behalf of the families detained in YW.

I wish I could report on the meeting which took place a few weeks ago (which both Alison Blenkinsop and Morgan Gallagher attended) but I'm unsure about what I can or can't say - will forward this thread to Morgan and see if she can enlighten you!

edam · 10/10/2008 20:39

Now, why doesn't that surprise me, Dryad? Shameful. Will definitely get back to my MP. (Peter Lilley - surprisingly A Good Egg on human rights.)

Hope we do get more info from Alison Blenkinsop et al.

I don't think Serco should be allowed to call it a 'mistake', btw. Inhuman and degrading treatment of a defenceless baby and mother, IMO.

(Btw, did you get my email? Any use?)

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ChairmumMiaow · 10/10/2008 20:41

I sent the same complaint to my MP and she forwarded me what I am guessing is the same response.

Shitemum · 10/10/2008 20:45

Was this the young mother originating from an African country who was going to be deported and had a very young baby and a toddler or two?
There was a thread about her a while back - I've often wondered what happened to her...

theSuburbanDryad · 10/10/2008 20:47

Here is Morgan's original blog on Baby C's treatment.

(edam - yes, i did, thank you. Will forward on to dh! )

thirtysomething · 10/10/2008 20:51

this is still going on to some extent, in that children as young as 4 are being rounded up from police raids then kept in Yarls wood and the like in near-prison like conditions, see Selina Adda recent case from Nottingham at: www.ncadc.org.uk/Newszine99/AddaFamily.html
scroll down for full story. this is just one example of how asylum seekers' children are treated in this so-called fair and humane country!!

morgangee · 10/10/2008 20:53

Hi Everyone!

And thanks so much for keeping going on this, it's so important.

Myself and Alison Blenkinsop did go to a meeting at Yarl's Wood, with UK Border Agency, and also present were Serco health care staff, and Serco admin people.

They wouldn't agree with us, to allow us to quote anything said, or name who was present. This is why we've not passed on the meeting details - there is little to be said.

UK Border Agency did accept that it was a breakdown in communication, that the formula had run out. And that this would not happen again. Other than that, nothing was said. No apology was given. No acceptance that it was wrong to give the baby oral hydration sachets etc. Nothing further to report, in fact.

Whenever we tried to agree a wording on other things that were said, we were shouted down, and nothing was agreed.

So that family have not received an apology, and there has been no acceptance that anything was 'wrong' in feeding the baby oral hydration sachets.

This is being pursued in other areas, via lawyers, and so there is nothing more to say.

Baby C and her Mum and siblings, are happily settled in a new home, although many many miles from where they had been settled. They were released into a hostel initially, but are now in a two bedroom ground floor flat.

Baby C is thriving, and Mum has a HUGE stockpile of the specialist formula, in case UK Border Agency picks them back up and ships them back to Yarl's Wood. Baby has regained the weight loss from Yarl's Wood.

As those of you who know something of Yarl's Wood, no one is supposed to be in there at all, unless their legal case is played out completely, and they should be there for only a couple of days prior to flights. But Mum had three separate 'attempts' to remove her and the children, in the two plus months they spent in there. They do now have an excellent immigration lawyer (they had none before) and her legal case is still being processed. Although as there is no specialist formula in the African country they wish to deport her too, sending the baby back would be a death sentance.

Many hopes about the conditions in Yarl's Wood are pinned upon the upcoming report into the conditions of children in there, by Al Aynsley-Green, the Children's Commissioner. He reports next month, I think.

He has already commented in the New Stateman's current campaing - No Place For Children. There is a huge amount of detail about Yarl's Wood and children, on the site:

www.newstatesman.com/subjects/no-place-for-children

As for the troublesome internetty... some of the MPs who wrote, repled to their constituents, that there was only a fuss, as it had been on the internet.

In other words, there had only been a fuss, as mothers knew about it!

You couldn't make it up...

morgangee · 10/10/2008 21:03

PS

On the basis of you couldn't make it up... Serco Health said they didn't like that we'd said the baby had been unfed for 18 hours, as the baby had a feed just before the formula ran out.. so that would make it 15 hours if you accept it dind't get hungry for a couple or three hours.

And I said "Fine if you want to look at it like that, 15 hours is just as bad."

And they just sat there, unable to utter a word, as clearly, they'd felt that knocking it down from 18 hours, to 15, was someohow significant.

They Just Don't Get It.

pinkteddy · 10/10/2008 21:09

I haven't heard about this story before - this is really awful. Happy to write to my MP, or is it too late now?

Nighbynight · 10/10/2008 21:20

Thank you for the update. Very disappointing that they can't even admit that they did something wrong. Nobody else in Britain would get away with starving a baby for 18 hours and not be blamed for it.

phdlife · 10/10/2008 21:23

Hmm Angry Blush

phdlife · 10/10/2008 21:24

note no

morgangee · 10/10/2008 21:33

Not too late to complain. In fact, very useful at it shows that mothers are really pissed about this.

Links on how to find your MP etc, on the blog

one-of-those-women.blogspot.com/2008/07/18-hours-and-37-miles.html

edam · 10/10/2008 22:42

Thank you very much for the update. Will get back to my MP.

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aliblenk · 10/10/2008 23:39

I was surprised to read that I'm supposed to be having a meeting with Jeremy Oppenheim. I suppose it's referring to the meeting Morgan and I attended.

As Morgan says, there were a lot of unanswered questions at the meeting, and no admission of wrongdoing, only of poor communication. No-one accepted that Baby C was harmed, or put at risk of harm, even when we insisted that oral rehydration fluids are not an appropriate substitute for milk when babies are able to take milk, only when they're ill, in which case a doctor should see them. But this event appears to have made them realise the strength of feeling about the case, and we hope that they will be much more careful in future about the care they give - and that there will be no occasion in future to have babies in YW.

Alison Blenkinsop www.linkable.biz

morgangee · 11/10/2008 09:21

edam, does the letter specificaly state a meeting between Alison and Oppenheim, or is it a 'fudge'? Could it be read another way?

If it specifically states, clearly, there is such a meeting, we need to let other MPs know this isn't accurate.

edam · 11/10/2008 09:55

No, definitely a meeting but I think the confusion is over the date - letter from Home Office dated 30th September now I come to look at it. I got the covering letter from my MP about a week ago, must have been delayed in the post and I hadn't thought of putting it onto MN until now (doh!).

Will get back to my MP with further info from this thread (and I was going to ask about apology to the family anyway). He said 'if there are any points arising from the reply that you would like me to take up on your behalf, please do not hesitate to get in touch'.

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morgangee · 11/10/2008 10:14

Well, I think that stating that Jeremy Oppenheim is meeting with Alison Blenkinsop, when no such meeting has, or had, been arranged, is a pretty serious point. Especially as you could read it as the MP being told to relax, as 'experts' were being consulted.

Also, the assurances that points raised in any such meeting would be implemented, needs serious addressing - as the meeting that has taken place, had no such process taking place.

In fact, everything was refuted by UK Border Agency, and the exact opposite occurred.

Further, if the letter from the Home Office is dated 30th September - our meeting took place on September 15th, two weeks prior. So, agan, this is an extremely serious matter as far as an MP is concerned - there are rules about Government agencies giving clear and accurate information to MPs!

Oh.. and guess what? I'm so completely shocked that this sort of letter has gone out, filled with total nonsense. NOT.

Would you feel happy scanning and emailing it to me? I can't alert other MPs to this, unless I've seen the evidence... I've learned to only ever pick up things when I have hard and fast paper proof. Which with the standards displayed in this letter, is easier than it might sound sometimes!

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