Daily Mail take on ADHD - 'badly behaved boys need discipline not drugs'

[tortoiseshell]

Article here - I'm posting the link a little tentatively, as it is not a good article - typical DM bile I think!

So because you're an adult you're entitled to medical help, but your child is not?

If you had depression, surely you'd just pull yourself together, no? After all, you can't see it, therefore it must be made up!

Looking at it form that perspective then dp you would deny your child the chance to be happier but not yourself and you actually see that as a good thing? Ds has really low self esteem which is very common with children with ADHD as they constantly fail to act in the way people expect of them. He gets really angry with himself for struggling so much to behave the way he is supposed to. Two years ago he was crying his heart out telling me he wanted to die so that he wouldn't be naughty anymore He hits himself and bites himself as a punishment for what he has done. The medication has really helped him - not in isolation but alongside everything else. He still struggles with self esteem but now that he is able to behave better more frequently he is able to acheive more often and he is definitely happier which is all I could want.

dusty

So, if there was a drug that supressed twatery (which there probably is) would you advocate usage of this drug?

and once guidelines for recognition and diagnosis of twattery were agreed, would these be exteneded to recognising twattery in children? and would we medicate for this?

I mean, of course only if your child was real twat, and you'd really done your best firts.

In fact the comparison with a mythical twattery disease, is not as ludicrous as it firt seems.

ADHD (and ASD) are diagnosed on behavioural observations, and so do only exist in as far as medics now agree that recognition of certain behaviours can be grouped together and identified and given recognition as a disorder.

In theory you could agree recognition guidelines and diagnosis for twatish behaviour and call it a disorder.

Would we want to mediate for it, is really the question.

Of course ASHD exists,as does ASD as do twats, they are really just labels of behavioural disoredrs.

I don't understand why other people mind so much if dc's are on Ritalin. Surely, even if they are badly behaved and not suffering from ADHD, then surely it's better for everyone if they are subdued isn't it?

Why would anyone object if a disruptive child was calmed down? Don't get it?

That's the poor slippers' fault. Imagine having a rubber soul, rather than a nice normal spiritual one

well actually thesuburbandryad...i wouldn't use drugs for my depression ...
listen, all i'm trying to say is..maybe they're are alternative ways to treat childrens behaviour without giving them drugs?

Yes, I've heard shackles and gags can do wonders for a child's behaviour...

Still no cure for twattery though.

"i needed drugs for depression thats differen"

But there's no such thing as depression, it's a made up condition and is really just people being miserable b*ggers

Of course there are.
Which is why people try them.

Then when they have explored all avenues and realise it's a brain thing, a chemical imbalance in the brain, they decide that actually, drugs are sometimes the best thing for it.

The other ways are to try and teach a child how to work round the symptoms of their condition. Sometimes that isn't enough, and the drugs are needed to rebalance the brain.

daftpunk - that's not what you're saying though. You've backtracked somewhat from your original position, which was:

By daftpunk on Thu 25-Sep-08 09:46:10
it's a made up condition...these parents just want an easy life..so they drug their kids.

I came across quite a few twats in the early days as well. Apparently ds1 was the way he was because we didn't say no to him enough/because we did everything for him/because we ignored him/because we talked to him too much (take you pick- many twats used contradictory explanations on the same occasion). Now he's 9 and still non-verbal they've gone off to badger others. Probably some poor mother of a kid with ADHD.

well, this twat will never give her son drugs to "calm him down"

i'll let my son climb tress..run on the beach...get him into sport..anything rather than drug him.

Has anyone found a physical cause (and indication) of ADHD? and similar behavioral conditions?
Surely we are talking about a curve of behaviour from too aggressive (for want of a better word) to too passive. We draw a line there and say beyond that is one 'condition' and too far the other way is a different 'condition' but the lines are arbitary aren't they?

Perhaps there is a genetic predespositon, but perhaps it's just modern life in general and parenting/schooling. After all they hardly let parents get a look in these days. By forcing both parents to work and taking the kids into nursery/school/afterschool clubs the parent gets a lot less say in how kids are brought up. It seems like this government would like to phase out parents altogether and yet things are not improving are they.

I think people get nervous about medicating 'behavioural disorders' like ADHD becuase so little is understaood about them physiologically. That is changing though and hopefully in years to come we'll know more about the physiological substrates that interact with environmental influences to produce these disorders.

Its just ignorance at the end of the day. It used to be 'common knowledge' that autism was caused by a cold and unloving mother - thankfully we've moved some way from that perspective now - well some of us have

Oh there's some brain scanning work which shows that areas of the brain which light up are different in kids with ADHD. You would probably find it on a google search.

yeah getting into sport helped Paul Gasgoine deal with his ADHD didn't it (or was it ADD- perhaps even more made up)

piss off fiofio

"all i can say is what iv'e seen"

"it's a made up condition...these parents just want an easy life..so they drug their kids."

"i'm sure in 1% of cases there is a problem somewhere and drugs might help...but ih 99% of cases ....i'd say it's a cop out."

So you must have intimate knowledge of at least 100 children with an ADHD diagnosis, then? In order to make two such sweeping statements about the condition based solely on your own personal observations, that is.

Climb a tree?

Ah, that'll work...

Of course, once agreed criteria for diagnosis of twats was agreed the numbers of Twats would rocket.

and we's all say 'oh I remember my uncle who didn't give a shit who he offendened, we all just thought he was just a selfish bastard, but turns out he'd a Twat. The doctor said so.'

It's a label to describe groups of commonly occuring behaviours which can be described as a disroder as they are seen to be varying from the norm.

So of course it exits, it's a description.

How to traet it is the question.

DP, did you actually read dusty's post about her son?
Do you think running on a fucking beach would have made any difference?