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Mum who killed disabled daughter jailed for life.

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SaintRiven · 23/09/2008 18:22

here
good.

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anniemac · 24/09/2008 09:51

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FioFio · 24/09/2008 09:53

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witchandchips · 24/09/2008 09:57

take out the fact that the daughter was disabbled (which i think we should) and you have the case of a v. depressed alchoholic with a history of problems killing her daughter. Tragic, severly wrong, perhaps avoidable but evil? (i am not so sure).

RTKangaMummy · 24/09/2008 10:35

talking about coping with cerebral palsy on ITV1 now

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RTKangaMummy · 24/09/2008 10:54

It does sound like a deffo brill way of teaching

Treating all children as individuals and focusing on the positive

moyasmum · 24/09/2008 11:12

Just really wish that this had been avoided,surelyall the support staff ,family, neighbours could have offered more help.

saint2shoes · 24/09/2008 11:35

family and neighbours, don't offer help though!
and how are we to know they didn't

Peachy · 24/09/2008 11:37

like 2shos said

i an ideal world there'd be loads of support but there's not.

you get on with it and I suspect if ou're a bit broken anyway then you just break a bit more

pagwatch · 24/09/2008 11:40

actually fell off my chair at the idea of all the support staff etc etc.
Neighbours seldom caught my eye, family ran for the hills and when we asked about support after diagnosis we were told "take him home and do the best you can. You can get residential at 5 you know"

But actually think this is a red herring. Don't think it was about not coping but about something else - probably mental health.

TotalChaos · 24/09/2008 11:42

the more I think about, the more I am starting to agree with Fio and Peachy - that the SN is a red herring, that they are trying to fit an explanation to the crime.

saint2shoes · 24/09/2008 11:46

I agree I think the cp is irrelevant, this woman would have killed any baby she had.

edam · 24/09/2008 12:12

Yeah, I suspect they've just leapt at the SN as a reason. Same way people leap at mental illness as a reason when the person has no record of any problems.

In this particular case, I imagine mental illness is the key, not SN. Poor little love.

Hulababy · 24/09/2008 19:59

A lot of people here seem to be making a lot of assumptions about this woman, and making a lot of excuses and justification for her actions.

The jury found her guilty of murder not manslaughter. They had all the evidence - not just the Daily Mail version. They decided beyond all reasonable doubt that she was guilty of killing her little girl with intent. Remember that we often don't have the full story and only have what the press decide makes better news for them. This is often distorted remember.

Do I fee sorry for this woman that she is now to be in prison or eventually a secure hospital? No, sorry I don't. I feel desprately sorry for the vunerable little girl who died at the hands of the one person in life she should have been safe with, and I feel so sorry for her daddy, and the rest of her family who are now left without this little girl to brighten their life.

SaintRiven · 25/09/2008 08:26

I do feel sorry for the father but, if you believe the press, he came home several times to find the mother drunk, the house dark and the little girl asleep on the sofa.
Did he never realise his wife was severely depressed? Or maybe realise she didn't like the child and think about giving up work?

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sweetie66 · 25/09/2008 13:11

This story affected me greatly. Maybe because the little girl was the same age as my DD and they were both premature. My DD had bleeds on the brain which can lead to cerabal palsy. My DD has been slower than her peers to do things but has always got there in the end. There has been days when I have shouted at her for not getting things quick enough and I know she has tried and it is not her fault. But the thing I cannot get over is the last thing the little girl saw was her mother holding her under water. How scared she must have been and that the one person who should have loved and protected her from anything was the one harming her. Whether the Mother had mental issues or not a little girl has lost her life. I read a lot of posts on here from people with children with SN and while they might be frustrated with them at times, feel like it is a slog all the time with no support NEVER do they say they are embrassed by their child or want to harm them. Where ever the mother serves her sentance, the child has served the ultimate one

dragonbaby · 25/09/2008 18:19

i am so glad she got what she deserved this she planned it so it was murder she is a evil woman and the worse thing is she may only do 14 years(as she has already don nearly a year)then she may get out

saint2shoes · 25/09/2008 18:20

but remeber she won't be very popular in prison

dragonbaby · 25/09/2008 18:22

also my husband has some of the mental health conditions that they said she may have
and he would never never hurt our children and she had full support from her husband and his family so why???????????????????

dragonbaby · 25/09/2008 18:23

good lets hope someone holds her underwater her worst feer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

saint2shoes · 25/09/2008 18:57

we can live in hope

findtheriver · 28/09/2008 12:24

riven - I must take issue with your implied criticism of the father. For a start - I wouldnt believe a lot of what the press say. And secondly, even if he did realise that the mother was depressed, it's hardly reasonable to assume that he can just give up work. Most people are not in a situation where a breadwinner can just jack in their job. And anyway, just imagine the headlines if he had:
'Feckless father makes himself unemployed while mother struggles to cope'...

One thing that does seem clear in this case is that this was not a child with severe disabilities requiring around the clock care. She was a little girl, at school, who had some difficulties.

The whole event is awful and very sad, but I don't think trying to imply blame on the innocent parent is helpful. The mother was convicted of murder - the evidence must have showed that she intended to kill or seriously harm her child, and that she knew what she was doing.

noddyholder · 28/09/2008 12:40

I think that the fact that so many parents cope with children with cp and even with the limited state help they never resort to this proves that she was mentally unstable.The driving around and detachment are classic mental health issues. To think holding her under water would achieve anything is naive and cruel.She will have to live with ehrself and what she did and will have a terrible time in prison

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