Mum who killed disabled daughter jailed for life.

[SaintRiven]

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Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe aren't in normal prisons.

Because they are mentally ill.

I suspect she will end up being tansferred to a secure hospital sometime in the near future.

But the bottom line is she killed someone - she murdered her tiny little girl, and for that she must be punished.

A jury, having heard all the evidence found her guilty of murder - not manslaughter. Therefore they felt that, beyond all reasonable doubt, she intended to kill her little girl. They heard and saw everything and they made that decision. We should go with that.

Is prison the right place? I don't know. She needs to be punished, and severely punished for murdering her daughter. However she most likely is not a threat to anyone else. Is she mentlly ill? Should she be in a secure hospital instead? Again, without the full facts I don't know, but yes - eventually probably.

But let's not forget one thing - she has been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, of killing her own little girl with intent. And on behalf of that trusting little girl, we must have this woman punished in some way, surely?

This breaks my heart on so many levels.

wannabe - I agree; if this was the father who hd killed the child, even with the same mental health issues history, I truely do not believe people would be so forgiving. Evidence from MN alone on past threads would back that up I reckon.

I agree wannabe.

That report has made me feel sick, that poor poor baby

wannabe

if it were a man there would be more empathy

and how many people feel sorry for Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe?

i agree Hula

I'm amazed at the double standards on this forum, sympathy for the female child killers and rage for the male child killers

none of these actions is justifiable in any sense what-so-ever.

The mum in this case got her just deserts, no doubt she will get them every day inside too as nobody hates anything more than a child killer...

ian Brady was not maligned to the degree Hindley was

Mental health issues is pulled up as mitigating reasons for many many crimes. There would appear to be an awful lot of people in prison with varying degrees of mental health issues. Many are not in secure hspitals, but in normal prisons. Sadly I fear the use of "meantal health issues" is used more often that it should be in criminal cases.

i cannot see how soneone can be 'in theor right mind' and kill their own child

what about peter sutcliffe?

Sympathy for him?

And how about Harold Shipman? He had a history of drug addiction therefore he could have been considered to be mentally ill. Do we have sympathy for him? I think not.

I agree with Hulababy, a jury has found this woman guilty of murder. And that despite the fact that her gp testified to her mental illness. They obviously have information which we do not, but for some reason people find it hard to accept that there are people out there who are capable of killing their own children.

But surely you can say that about any child murderer/rapist etc. How could anyone in their right mind kill, hurt or abuse a defensless child? But it does happen. They are not all ill, as in "secure hopital" ill. Some are ust downright nasty.

NAO but that argument is based on our own emotional feelings on the matter. As parents, we cannot imagine killing our own children because of the depth of feeling we have for them. But fact is not everyone has that overwhelming love for their own children.

hmm yes i see your argument wannabe

my mother did tell me she wished me dead so maybe ...

I just think this is terribly sad and feel so sorry for everyone involved.

Nothing can justify what she did, as by the fact that the little girl had had her face pushed against the side of the bath so hard her face had haemorrhaged it seems that it was an entirely violent act, not the quiet desperation of someone pushed to breaking point. But does it not make the slightest difference that she had actually asked for her to be adopted - the father had prevented it. She didn't want her, so any comparison between the love any of us has for our own child and her situation will probably be far from the truth.

I have no experience with caring for a disabled child so who am i to judge?

I have
and I judge

me too

don't really think you need experience of dealing witth disability to make a judgement call on this one

the little girl's problems didn't even register on my disability radar (calipers ffs - big fookin deal ). In fact, maybe its got fook all to do with disability and the woman would have done this anyway even if child didn't have v mild cp. Perhaps she couldn't have coped with any child period.

Very good posts wannabe.

Don't get the rush to 'understand' these people tbh. Actually I do a bit. It's because if you are a loving parent then you can't fathom the mind processes of someone who would do this. So you think...they must be mad/insane/mentally ill.

Plenty of people (the majority in fact) who are mentally ill don't commit murder.

ejb1976 good point.

agree with ejb so far, as papers not rushing to give any real info on how the jury decided she couldn't cope with having a child with mild cp.

I'm not sure I feel a rush to 'understand'. I agree with twiglett's first post. but who knows, maybe in this case the detailed previous history of severe mental breakdown isn't relevant.
wonder if it will go to appeal?

It's too awful to contemplate what this woman did. That poor, poor little girl.