is it unsisterly to think that Sarah Palin is horrid and the worst possible example of a woman in power

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ok, I used to think that as women we ought to support other women to almost unreasonable levels. i was totally for Hillary despite Obama's star appeal.... but then came Sarah Palin. i abhor her and everything she stands for. i am incredibly disgusted by the level of PC that prevents people from stating the obvious, ie that she is an incredibly BAD mother and she gives women a bad name.. i mean WTF, going back to work after 3 DAYS of giving birth, exposing your pregnant 17 yo to national attentionand not being there for her while she needs you most... she keeps banging on about being a hockey mom but having delivered 5 children is not the same thing about being a good mum. she is also incredibly, scarily unqualified for the job. i cannot find one ounce of feminist feeling for her... and it makes me question my beliefs!

My God AN, what an odd strategy. Look elsewhere on the net and you might be horrified to find discussions about Obama being a black man. What a quandry finding such horribly racist statemenst will put you in, I have no idea, but pity you if that's teh tiop and bottom of your reasoning.

Also, the oil reserves in Alaska won't make a difference to oil prices.

MT, it's very unlikely that my political views would be supported on a democtatic ticket. So I was never inclined to vote for Obama anyway. But, when people come on here saying that woman isn't qualified to lead because a slave to her hormonal fluctualtion post partum, then I feel compelled to point out what a load of sexist tosh that statement is.

I too returned to work two weeks post birth (an emergency casarean even) and I get really cross when people criticise me for an effort that I feel deserves praise. So I say good for Sarah Palin. I admire you for your strength and your ability to accomplish so much. We could use more people like her to shatter some glass ceilings.

I haven't heard anyone say that. Al I have heard them say is that it is unusual, which it is, and as such is a valid topic for discussion, especially when such a person puts herself forward as a 'supermum' when we all know the reality of working full time (never mind in an area like politics) and being a mother means making sacrifices with one or the other.

I am not judging or condemning anyone for making either of those choices, I am very much live and let live on that.

You feel personally attacked by criticism of Palin - I would venture that you are projecting a bit too much. Just becasue you went back to work 2 weeks after birth as she did, does not make you the same and therefore does not mean criticism of her is criticism of you.

There are many things about SP that do not add up - noticing that and discussing is is in no way sexist.

Praise the women and men who want to make it big in corporate enterprise or politics or whatever, but don't forget their are costs as well as benefits in persuing that path. There is no need for such women to lash out (in however passive agresssive way) at women who make different choices to them, unless they are already deeply uneasy with those choices and the costs incurred, in some way already.

FWIW, why should women strive for what men have, if they don;t want to? Why not admit to liking pink because men have long thought it frivolous? A new gebneration of young women are not jumping through these self imposed hoops, and good luck to them, however they decide to live their lives becasue they are probably one fo teh first generations to do so without the spectre of male approval hanging over their shoulders - unlike SP.

If it is sexist to discuss that conundrum, then political correctness has just dissapeared up it's own arse and good riddance to it!

She is awful.

I haev no idea what you mean by sexist Dittant is my problem. It just seems to be the same as scruitinising a public figure for the family ticket she is attepting to ride on. Explain please, how questioning that is sexist

and you have made a lot of assumptions. Where, pray, dod I say anything about equal pay at work for you to make a massive assumption that I represent anything against that?

As for equal access to professions - just becasue there aren't equal numbers in every profession does not equate to there not being equal access. Much of feminism is about choice and it needs to takle notice when women make those choices and not cry foul. The situation, as usual, deserves much more thought and less didacticism.

thanks for that link unquietdad

that website is f*cking funny

oh loosen up Dittany. We don't get paid for this you know. It's an ^opinion' on a parenting board. I can't be arsed to get into any po-faced debates with people on here.

Yes, I am an apologist for sexism. To you. There. Sleep soundly tonight.

She is a terrifying nutter. The fact that she is a woman has nothing to do with it.

Quite iorek. Even women can be awful sometimes.

I am surprised to see some people think evolution and creationism are theories with more or less equal credibility.

Evolution is fact. It has repeatedly happened, there is undeniable proof.

'Theory of Evolution' refers to a well documented explanation of how evolution took place. That is, the "theory" is re how, not what.

Kind of like Theory of Gravity. Gravity is fact. It happens, there is undeniable proof for it. Theory of Gravity is the explanation of how the force of gravity acts on objects.

Dittany, I've been reading your posts for awhile now. Methinks that your calling all comments and remarks against Palin sexist overuses the sexism tag and diminishes it for when it truly applies.

It's a fact unless you believe that everything is attached to the earth with little invisible elastic strings. Oh yes.... could be.

to the OP - good lord, no.
nor did I support Margaret Thatcher

love the link, very funny

Well, she won't be loosing any sleep over people scrutinising her - thst's what she was put up for.

Life in any male dominated business (like politics) is brutal - women joining that frey will have to put up with all kinds of dirty tricks from rivals which put the so called sexism on this thread into perspective.

I dislike Sarah Palin and all that she stands for almost as much as I dislike the dreadful woman Hazel Blears.

Its terrifying that a woman of her views and sheltered outlook could potentially have the codes to launch a nuclear war. And, given McCain's health, she's probably more likely to be President than any other VP in history. Scary.

anyone who is anti-abortion hasn't got my vote!

UK resident and glad

I posted this link on another Sarah Palin thread, but think it is worth repeating here as it addresses/dispels many of the rumours surrounding her private life and the recent birth of her child:

www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/08/america/08baby.php

She looks amazingly like the mum in King of the Hill don't you think?